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FWIW, I'd say I dress well, just casually.
This is an excellent point that I'm amazed no one has made. It's entirely possible to dress very well but without wearing a suit/blazer/wool pants, etc. There are tasteful, well tailored, yet casual clothes all over the place. A slob in a suit is still a slob.
Oh come on, programmers aren't special. (I know, I am one). Clothes are communication. You dress to a minimal standard to show respect for others, and to communicate "seriousness". Sometimes, you have to spell the standard out out. I have worked with people who wear torn or worn out t-shirts and similarly worn out shorts. It turns off some potential employees and customers who catch a glimpse of them - fair or not. S…
What I really don't get is these people who seem to WANT to look like shit. We don't have a dress code here. I could easily wear jeans over half the time. But I don't and nobody else does because it looks horrible. Personally, I find being surrounded by well dressed people a substantial workplace selling point. Do you have any idea how juvenile and tasteless you look in cheap jeans and sneakers? Do you realize how mu…
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What I really don't get is these people who seem to WANT to look like shit. We don't have a dress code here. I could easily wear jeans over half the time. But I don't and nobody else does because it looks horrible. Personally, I find being surrounded by well dressed people a substantial workplace selling point. Do you have any idea how juvenile and tasteless you look in cheap jeans and sneakers? Do you realize how mu…
Wool? That's a dirty word here in 100 degree+ Austin, TX. Otherwise, matters of style/taste are subjective, or, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Pretty much everyone in our office wears jeans and, shrug , it just doesn't seem to have any negative impact that I can observe.
Oh come on, programmers aren't special. (I know, I am one). Clothes are communication. You dress to a minimal standard to show respect for others, and to communicate "seriousness". Sometimes, you have to spell the standard out out. I have worked with people who wear torn or worn out t-shirts and similarly worn out shorts. It turns off some potential employees and customers who catch a glimpse of them - fair or not. S…
What I really don't get is these people who seem to WANT to look like shit. We don't have a dress code here. I could easily wear jeans over half the time. But I don't and nobody else does because it looks horrible. Personally, I find being surrounded by well dressed people a substantial workplace selling point. Do you have any idea how juvenile and tasteless you look in cheap jeans and sneakers? Do you realize how mu…
I won't deny that dressing up is a social advantage, but sometimes people care about some things more than strictly getting ahead. It's entirely possible that an individual could place more value on being comforatble than on getting that raise or promotion.
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The responses in this thread are convincing me that a dress code is a great idea. It would keep out the socially clueless nerds nobody wants to be around.
I dress in old t-shirts and cheap jeans to keep away the people who would judge me so shallowly.
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I dress in old t-shirts and cheap jeans to keep away the people who would judge me so shallowly.
I bet that's working out great for ya. Tons of advantages. I'm green with envy.
In an age of tight money, I would expect that more firms would find this a way to save on employment expenses. Other things being equal, at the margin they'd be able to attract better talent for equal benefits. Or, conversely, they'd be able to attract equal talent while spending slightly less on benefits.
Thus, allowing casual dress can be a money saver for companies, with no real cost to implementing it.
Several posts in this thread assert that "dressing up" is a matter of respect for one's coworkers. I don't see why this is so. Certainly, observing hygiene and grooming habits so as not to be offensive fits into this framework. And certain ritualized situations (weddings, funerals, proms) demand it. But I fail to see how dress fits into the more general case.
Indeed, it seems to me that in what we like to think is a diverse, open-minded, tolerant society, that the real act of respect would be to look deeper at a person than just clothes. It's in the mind of the viewer, not the wearer.
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This is an excellent point that I'm amazed no one has made. It's entirely possible to dress very well but without wearing a suit/blazer/wool pants, etc. There are tasteful, well tailored, yet casual clothes all over the place. A slob in a suit is still a slob.
Very true. I'm not even sure I would trust a coder in a suit and tie..
I do not think dress codes are "idiotic." I understand why they exist for companies and organisations. I went to an all-boys Catholic school in Sydney, Australia, and we wore navy blazers, ties, and polished shoes. It was about respect and reputation. I get this. I see this everywhere, in every country. I'd rather see well-dressed people than see slobs. I'd rather look at beauty than ugly. I'd rather smell a pleasant…
Because necktie:shirt::codpiece:pants
I do not think dress codes are "idiotic." I understand why they exist for companies and organisations. I went to an all-boys Catholic school in Sydney, Australia, and we wore navy blazers, ties, and polished shoes. It was about respect and reputation. I get this. I see this everywhere, in every country. I'd rather see well-dressed people than see slobs. I'd rather look at beauty than ugly. I'd rather smell a pleasant…
Do keep in mind that one of the strengths of the U.S. is its overall lack of refinement; culturally, we idolize elegance, but respect scrapiness. More refined cultures tend to smack down imperfections, which is why a lot of start-ups happen outside of the Old World. I also love suits and bespoke clothing (having a custom-tailored shirt makes such a difference), but I understand why a lot of people don't -- it's expen…