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How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Bill Foster: I'm the Bad Guy?

Sergeant Prendergast: Yeah.

Bill Foster: How'd that happen? I did everything they told me to. Did you know I build missiles? I helped to protect America. You should be rewarded for that. But instead they give it to the plastic surgeons, you know they lied to me.

Sergeant Prendergast: Is that what this is about? You're angry because you got lied to? Is that why my chicken dinner is drying out in the oven? Hey, they lie to everyone. They lie to the fish. But that doesn't give you any special right to do what you did today. The only that makes you special is that little girl. Now let's go. Lets go!

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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I think Paul Graham summed up the situation fairly well when he wrote: "Economically, you can think of a startup as a way to compress your whole working life into a few years. Instead of working at a low intensity for forty years, you work as hard as you possibly can for four. This pays especially well in technology, where you earn a premium for working fast." and this: "Combine all these multipliers, and I'm claimin…

You have to remember that PG is a startup investor, and has a vested interest in making you feel as though you need to code for 14 hours a day when he's given you a seed-round investment. The overwhelming odds state that your startup will fail, no matter whether you spent six hours or fourteen hours every day working at it.

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Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to remember that PG is a startup investor, and has a vested interest in making you feel as though you need to code for 14 hours a day when he's given you a seed-round investment. The overwhelming odds state that your startup will fail, no matter whether you spent six hours or fourteen hours every day working at it.

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I think you're reading too deeply into what I said.

Spending fourteen hours a day might well give you a greater chance of success than working six. But the chances of success are still so remote that it isn't worth ruining your life over. That's the part that PG is invested in - the idea that startup success is within the reach of anyone who works hard enough. It isn't.

if we amend your second sentence to read, "while it changes the probability of success, the probability is still low", it no longer really makes sense -- if you have a 30% chance of survival with medicine, should you not take your medicine if it is 3% chance of survival without it?

Because the alternative to working at a startup isn't death. It's, y'know, taking a different job.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

#84

I think you have to pick one. Startup or kids. You can work at a burnout pace for 5 years in the hope of getting rich, or you can be there for your young children. In my opinion, if you're going to try the startup thing, there's nothing stopping you from having kids afterwards. Except that if your startup(s) didn't succeed, your skills might translate perfectly into a career that can sustain a family. And having gone…

Or you can work at your startup at a sustainable pace.

From a lean startup perspective, the more burnout pace you work at, the less likely you are to close the feedback loop and actually produce the right feature. From a Mythical Man hour perspective, you're more likely to be less productive the more burnout pace that you try to maintain.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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"My dear Daughter, Wait for me." Of all the things that might happen, much as we'd like it to be different, I can guarantee that this is one which won't happen. However upsetting it may be now (or looking back in the future), time isn't going to wait for you and all those firsts, all those events and experiences you miss, won't wait and won't happen again. We tell ourselves it isn't a choice but for many of us it is.…

> We tell ourselves it isn't a choice but for many of us it is. Most of us could earn enough money to support our family comfortably in a relatively regular 9 - 5 job. We might not be personally as satisfied and we might not be as financially well off, but we can choose one possible version of our life over another. I'm currently in the 9-5 job and maybe I'm just a whiner, but I feel the same as this guy. I hate the…

I don't think you're a whiner - my position is not that dissimilar.

Both sides of the decision likely involve compromise. The idea that being a more involved parent is without downside is sadly not true for most people.

The only thing I would say is that there are jobs that allow a work life balance which aren't totally soul destroying - something between your current hell and the 12 hour a day start up culture. Maybe it's time to start looking for something which may not be your perfect job, but might be a little better.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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A couple of friends from the HN community & IRC helped edit this piece. Just thought I'd share with others as well.

Vuong, you're welcome :P I helped with structure. But the piece, like the decision, is yours. The fact you're thinking about decisions, and were moved to compose the piece, bodes well. Keep the fact we're allotted only so much Time in the World in mind and, for you, it'll work out. Time, again, Time. You'll have the day in the meadow, daisies and all.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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I think Paul Graham summed up the situation fairly well when he wrote: "Economically, you can think of a startup as a way to compress your whole working life into a few years. Instead of working at a low intensity for forty years, you work as hard as you possibly can for four. This pays especially well in technology, where you earn a premium for working fast." and this: "Combine all these multipliers, and I'm claimin…

but when I had my own startup, I gave up reading the news And my question would be: did you miss something important, that could be life-changing if only you had seen it on the news? Being off the news myself (except tech news) for more than a year now, I'm yet to experience such an "event". But of course some non-technical news "sip through" - get posted on HN, you hear from family etc. So there is no way to really…

Isn't there some evidence that staying up to date with current affairs does nothing but cause stress?

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

#88
You have to make choices.

I choose my wife, son & future kids as priority #1.

That choice came with costs -- I'd probably be the CIO of a pretty major org at this point, but that means 10-12 hour days that I won't do.

That doesn't mean that life is over, it just means that you need to be more strategic about opportunities, and may need to scope out some roles.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

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I've read everyone's comment thus far. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and for allowing me the honor to be part of your discussion.

I figured that we're not trying to find a correct answer here. But knowing our community of engineers, hackers, lovers etc. we'd always trying to solve any problems coming our way :)

My humble opinion is: feelings are honesty trying to express themselves. Even if we can't solve the problem of "feelings", I'm quite happy we can search for it together as a group.

I wrote this piece during a tough part of the startup last year. I recently looked at it again and realized it wasn't just about me but rather about all my friends, I actually do refer to you folks on here as "friends", with the common dream.

I think at some point on one train-ride home or another, we've searched for some sort of understanding and hope to know that we're not the only one. Today, I'm happy to know that my "friends" do share the same feeling at one point or another. And we are not alone.

-Vuong.

Re: How I Feel as Young Father Involved in Early-stage Startup

#90
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This has always been my quandary. What in an ideal life should a human do? Dedicate his time to his professional dreams or to his family. Doing excess of any induces a longing for the other.

Desires that can be satisfied are blessings, are they not?
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