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Post by nevir »

malandrew wrote: post #126
nevir wrote: post #55

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...or 3) Launch a product that is polished, but lacks some features.

Our website is not the product. I promise you that if you take the time to explore actual product we're working on, you'll see that it's pretty polished, but lacks some features.

Your website is seen to reflect the quality & state of your product - by extension it _is_ your product.

I realize all the negative feedback must be demoralizing, but humans are silly beasts who have knee-jerk reactions to most things, and don't bother delving any further. Unfortunately, it's often best to cater to that.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by joaren »

blake8086 wrote: post #45
joaren wrote: post #43

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I find myself agreeing with most of what you wrote, and yet, it doesn't matter. You keep sabotaging yourselves. Does no-one do QA? Do you not have a Steve Jobs-esque character who has taste and an eye for detail and who can look at this stuff the way your users will? Because such a person would've looked at this and Noped the fuck out of there, cancelled whatever PR you had planned, and put everyone around a table sa…

This comment seems really mean.

No, this comment was factual, and consists of all the questions clearly nobody is asking loudly enough at famous HQ.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by joaren »

xiaoma wrote: post #110
icelancer wrote: post #79

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>1) Launch an imperfect product that works well for some use cases; or I absolutely loathe this attitude that has taken over entrepreneurship. This is not OK. I don't give a shit what the Lean Theory zealots say.

> I absolutely loathe this attitude that has taken over entrepreneurship. This is not OK. I don't give a shit what the Lean Theory zealots say. They've worked insane hours for over a year to create a tool. It's an imperfect tool, but one capable of doing amazing things. And they've given it away for free. How are you not OK with this?

If you work insane hours for over a year, your company is broken. That is a problem of time allocation and unrealistic expectations, and has no bearing on the quality or usefulness of the work being done.

As for "capable of doing amazing things", this is stuff that Flash was able to do better 10 years ago. If people hadn't forgotten where we came from, and browser makers hadn't ridden the CSS train to performance hell, Famous wouldn't even be necessary.

So far, all I've seen is a) huge, hyped up promises and b) janky demos that feel like some interaction design student's wild experiments. You don't need to be Apple to do this right, you just have to be able to be honest about the output of your own work.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by joaren »

malandrew wrote: post #126
nevir wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...or 3) Launch a product that is polished, but lacks some features.

Our website is not the product. I promise you that if you take the time to explore actual product we're working on, you'll see that it's pretty polished, but lacks some features.

The fact that you seriously say "our website is not the product" shows how utterly misguided you are in your marketing. I am not trying to be mean, this is simple and logical advice.

You make a platform for making websites. Your website is a huge turn-off that reminds everyone of every shitty over designed web brochure / 'experience' they've ever seen. And you think this is just a problem because people are picky.

Amazing.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by dragonwriter »

malandrew wrote: post #126
nevir wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...or 3) Launch a product that is polished, but lacks some features.

Our website is not the product. I promise you that if you take the time to explore actual product we're working on, you'll see that it's pretty polished, but lacks some features.

> Our website is not the product.

The problem is that it seems to be the only thing bigger than a one-click demo built with the product that is available, so it is -- whether you intend it to be or not -- the most powerful statement you have about what the utility of your product.

(It doesn't help that the broking scrolling makes it very hard to get to some of the rest of the content.)

If you think it represents the product poorly, I think you desperately need (1) to not rely on your product for your whole public-facing website (dogfooding is good, but part of that is having good judgement about fitness for purpose), and (2) build something that has a clear role that is more than a trivial demo that demonstrates the real utility of the product (something that's part of your public website, and a key and useful part and not just a demo, may be good, but it needs to be something that the product is ready to do acceptably.)

Or, if the problems really are fairly minor, then fix the problems that makes using it for your whole website and turn that into a plus.

> I promise you that if you take the time to explore actual product we're working on, you'll see that it's pretty polished, but lacks some features

Asking people to do more work to discover the value of your product is generally not a compelling way to get people on board with it. If the external visitors first impression isn't positive, its not their job to work harder to get to a positive impression.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by malandrew »

joaren wrote: post #134
xiaoma wrote: post #110

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> I absolutely loathe this attitude that has taken over entrepreneurship. This is not OK. I don't give a shit what the Lean Theory zealots say. They've worked insane hours for over a year to create a tool. It's an imperfect tool, but one capable of doing amazing things. And they've given it away for free. How are you not OK with this?

If you work insane hours for over a year, your company is broken. That is a problem of time allocation and unrealistic expectations, and has no bearing on the quality or usefulness of the work being done. As for "capable of doing amazing things", this is stuff that Flash was able to do better 10 years ago. If people hadn't forgotten where we came from, and browser makers hadn't ridden the CSS train to performance hel…

I expect negative comments on occasion from everyone, but you've been registered on HN for 16 days and every single comment you've made since you've joined has been vitrolic haterade that adds nothing constructive to the threads you participate or the community. Do you ever have anything positive to say about anything? If you're so embittered, why participate here at all?

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by madeofpalk »

dagurp wrote: post #119
madeofpalk wrote: post #53

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I don't think it is. Famous is the first I've seen to complement reimplement (and fuck up) something as fundamental as scrolling.

What about the countless sites that have infinite scrolling (Facebook for example)? It's not as bad as Famous but still breaks it in my opinion.

Infinite scrolling doesnt break scrolling, it breaks backwards/forwards navigation.

Re: Famo.us open to everyone

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Post by dagurp »

madeofpalk wrote: post #139
dagurp wrote: post #119

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What about the countless sites that have infinite scrolling (Facebook for example)? It's not as bad as Famous but still breaks it in my opinion.

Infinite scrolling doesnt break scrolling, it breaks backwards/forwards navigation.

It does both (infinite scrolling is a horrible idea). If you try dragging the scrollbar it will jump around every time more content is loaded and you lose your position on the page.
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