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Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by Serow225 »

DangerousPie wrote: post #133
Sarkie wrote: post #15

The thing with all these plugins, I shouldn't care as a user, I should be informed about these issues. If you use http://www.sublimetext.com/ you will get a dialog when scripts are running slow, as in, "Script XYZ took more than 1 second to process this file, you can disable it" All I want in FF or Chrome is the same. "Adblock blocked the UI for 4 seconds" "Adblock increased memory consumption by double" Or they coul…

Doesn't the new Internet Explorer do this? I don't really use it that much, but I remember seeing a message suggesting I disable a plugin that was causing slow load times.

Yup, I believe you're right. It only pops up when it detects a problematic plugin. Although I can't remember if it monitors this continuously, or just when you launch IE.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by Serow225 »

nnethercote wrote: post #56
forrestthewoods wrote: post #5

I rage quit Firefox years ago because it's impossible to discuss it's critical perf issues without people pointing shifting blame to plugins. It got so bad I ran clean installs that never had a plugin ever, still had perf issues, and people on the internet simply refused Firefox could be at fault. I switched to Chrome and have never looked back. I also have never had a single issue with any AdBlock plugin in Chrome.…

When somebody reports a performance problem with Firefox, the first question is always "do you have any add-ons installed" precisely because a lot of them do impact performance significantly. That's not necessarily bad -- e.g. I happily use ABP despite the memory and speed hit -- but there's a reason why it's always the first question. Having said that, as a Firefox developer I'm sorry that people didn't believe you…

Hi Nicholas, I just wanted to say thanks for being the public face of MemShrink. It's really great to have such visibility into this important work in one place, rather than scattered around a bunch of dev blogs etc. Also the continued focus from one person over an extended timeframe really helps get stuff done, from my experience as a PM. Thanks again!

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by maratc »

I solve the issue with a (free) OpenDNS account where everything in the (crowd-sourced) "Advertisers" list is just resolved to 127.0.0.1. This works for phones, tablets, and any browser on any OS in my home network.

The problem is what to do once I leave my home network.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by Karunamon »

pritambaral wrote: post #122
nikolak wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then it should not be compared to adblock.

That is not what is happening in the post. Only the filtering/element-hiding capabilities of both are being compared.

That is exactly what is happening in the headline, however.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by boobsbr »

Walkman wrote: post #6

MY GOSH! I never realized how slow my page loadings were. Removed ABP (and a couple of extensions) after reading this and the memory consumption just went to 1/2 of what it used to be, the page loading times are just incredible... I always wondered why Chrome is soooo much slower compared to Firefox (ABP not installed on Firefox) but never investigated further. Thank you so much!

Interesting, in my experience, FF was always slower than Chrome.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by acjohnson55 »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #2

Adblock+ has been fine for me. Has anyone had any problems? Personally, Adblock+ has earned my trust over a long period of time, so it's hard to see myself switching to something else unless the reason was dire.

My biggest problem is the memory usage. I use a lot of tabs at once, and I'm regularly finding myself swapping on an 8GB MBP.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by [deleted] »

TheLoneWolfling wrote: post #139
Sprint wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then HTTPSB is not the right extension for you.

You are calling HTTPSB an alternative for Adblock Plus. One of the major use cases of Adblock Plus is effectively "Fire and Forget" mode - enable it and then don't worry about it. You are saying HTTPSB does not support this use case. As such, I don't see why you can call it an alternative to Adblock Plus.

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Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by wpietri »

zorbo wrote: post #106
rwallace wrote: post #13

Given that advertising pays for a lot of the services we all use, the use of Adblock and similar programs constitutes defection in game theory terms - the more people who do it, the worse off we all are - which means even if you choose to do it yourself (I personally don't), it is against your interests to encourage other people to do it. Also, given that computing is one of very few areas of technology in which our…

By that logic, we shouldn't have done anything about pop-up windows with ads either? Yet we did, and the world was a little bit better for it. Naturally advertisers, being the sneaky shits they are, didn't learn their lessons and are now repeating the same tactics with javascript/html5 overlays. When those become too annoying, we will find a way around those too, and the world will keep on running. To me, it's simple…

I'm with you on the first part, but I think the second is probably false. The commerce of information is very different than the sorts of commerce that gave rise to simple economics.

I'd love to see ads destroyed, but I wouldn't necessarily expect the economics of content to produce the personally or socially optimal content. We may need to be more deliberate about it.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by eevilspock »

Schlaefer wrote: post #116
dredmorbius wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nice. Just sourcing that: http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/461383-people-are-taking-the...

But how does it apply? A website is hardly a "public space". This quote makes no sense in the virtual world where everyone can build his own planet without ads if he wants to. Space is not limited here.

The website as it displays on your computer using your computer memory and screen and CPU is your space, not the website's. So what Banksy says is even more true.

To use your analogy, your computer is your planet. If websites don't like that their ads can't get past your customs officers, that's their problem.

Re: Show HN: Where Adblock+ injects 20K CSS rules, HTTPSB injects one

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Post by gorhill »

zorbo wrote: post #30

HTTPSB just isn't userfriendly enough for me. I run Adblock (not plus though) + Ghostery, and perhaps they use more memory and CPU, but if they do I've never noticed nor cared about it. Their userfriendliness is amazing though. HTTPSB randomly cripples sites, much like NoScript, and I really can't be bothered to deal with that anymore. With Adblock + Ghostery I feel completely in control. If I want to enable the Disq…

Well the article was specifically to challenge the claim that the problem of ABP memory consumption was mostly residing with Firefox.

But in any case, regarding your point, you can set up HTTPSB as an ad blocker and forget about it:

https://github.com/gorhill/httpswitchboard/wiki/HTTP-Switchb...

Advantage over ABP is that it discloses to you what is still not blocked, and you act on this information if you wish so.

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