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Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by nitrogen »

mcmillion wrote: post #183
abalone wrote: post #179

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My "recipe" is this: Uninstall and switch to Sketch. http://bohemiancoding.com/sketch/ I have been so, so happy. Not 100% apples-to-apples of course but it's been great for my UI design needs, way better than Photoshop/Fireworks. For bitmap editing I supplement with Pixelmator (only $15!). I used to say Photoshop couldn't be beat because of insanely hardcore features like content-aware fill, but then this is happenin…

I'm going to have to see that in person to believe it.

There is a similar plugin for GIMP, though it is less refined.

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Post by bentcorner »

Udo wrote: post #93
DenisM wrote: post #49

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We've learned to live with centralized water and electricity and banking, all outside of our control, rather than rely on on-premises solutions. SaaS, too, will win out after a few hiccups.

In a very real sense our data is an extension of ourselves, a part of our minds. In contrast water, electricity, and banking are by-and-large anonymous basic services that have no further properties. I get that cloud storage people think of themselves as the utility providers of the future, after all it makes instinctive sense to want to own something which consumers will spend their whole lives on. I've been in meet…

> Worse, suppose in that glorious cloud future a person might end up in a situation where they can't make those substantial payments to their cloud providers for a time. All their stuff will be gone, as well.

There should be some sort of process for this, akin to safety deposit boxes. Image the machines to tape, store for a year or two. You may need to work in something to ensure you don't turn into long-term data storage (maybe only offer the download once, or add in a 30 day "thaw from storage" buffer, or maybe a fixed fee to retrieve that data).

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by nitrogen »

cmiller1 wrote: post #190
Fuxy wrote: post #123

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And this is why "cloud" software will always be worse then regular software. What happens when these "cloud" companies go out of business? You're pretty much SOL if you can't find a replacement quick. Don't ever rely on "cloud" software for critical infrastructure unless you own that cloud. Everybody get CS6 and delay upgrading as long as you can.

I disagree in some specific cases. For software that is focused around accessing shared data. Say, ERP, document collaboration, etc. for small businesses that can't afford or don't want dedicated IT staff cloud based software makes a lot of sense.

It makes a lot of sense iff those businesses lose less money on cloud+ISP downtime than they would spend on IT staff or on-site support from a retail store.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by owlmanatt »

cmiller1 wrote: post #190
Fuxy wrote: post #123

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And this is why "cloud" software will always be worse then regular software. What happens when these "cloud" companies go out of business? You're pretty much SOL if you can't find a replacement quick. Don't ever rely on "cloud" software for critical infrastructure unless you own that cloud. Everybody get CS6 and delay upgrading as long as you can.

I disagree in some specific cases. For software that is focused around accessing shared data. Say, ERP, document collaboration, etc. for small businesses that can't afford or don't want dedicated IT staff cloud based software makes a lot of sense.

What's the point of that? You still need to worry about your own off-cloud backups and a contingency plan for when your vendor goes out of business.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by nitrogen »

patio11 wrote: post #112
e12e wrote: post #19

And this is why I won't trust SaaS that doesn't provide a viable self-host solution (which for practical purposes tends to mean Free software, although I suppose "binary" only self-contained jars might be a realistic alternative). And also why I can't see myself selling/working on such a solution without providing some form of viable / realistic exit strategy/alternative. With traditional apps, you run the risk of eg…

It should be noted that "just spin up a VPS/dedicated server" is not a serious competition for most SaaS companies, nor is it a requirement for most people who buy SaaS. Try explaining that process to Office Manager Milly, whose #1 feature request is being able to fax documents to the SaaS app rather than having to upload them. Milly may have heard about Heartbleed recently. She doesn't understand public key cryptogr…

It should also be noted that sometimes you're not talking to Millie. Self-hosting is a viable option for a lot of people and businesses, even more so with the help of a friendly local CIO-as-a-service consulting company nearby whose rates are competitive with the SaaS+time wasted by non-tech users trying to manage the PCs that access it.

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Post by nknighthb »

coldtea wrote: post #125
nknighthb wrote: post #103

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You've just told us a good-sized city fits in about 1/200th of my phone's storage. I'll take a dozen. Actually, you could fit the entirety of the state of Washington in I'm not seeing a problem.

> Actually, you could fit the entirety of the state of Washington in Well, most people don't want to lose even 20% of their phone's storage in a single app, much less 50%. And that's just for those satisfied to only have info for one state. What about people regularly travelling between 1-2 states? That said, I question the OP storage math. At least with vector information, I know that something like Navigon's GPS/ma…

I wasn't saying I would want the entirety of Washington on my phone. Quite the contrary. I was pointing out the sheer area that fits in that amount of storage. It's 71,362 square miles.

If you're traveling regularly between two states, you'd want your origin city, destination city, and your route with maybe a couple miles on either side. Say a 250-mile route, and 200 square miles at either end. I bet it fits in <2GB.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by bentcorner »

na85 wrote: post #114
DenisM wrote: post #59

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Surely there is something? E.g. Google Maps was a breath of fresh air after MapPoint.

Off the top of my head, GMail is the only one. Mostly because Outlook's/Thunderbird's UI and UX are absolute ass. SAAS is inferior in: * games * text editors * photo editors * IDEs Backup storage is okay, but I live in a country with tight bandwidth caps so I can't really use things, plus I don't want Google or Dropbox or MeGa snooping at what I upload. So I would never pay to use any of the above things, and I would…

> SAAS is inferior in:

> * games

Isn't steam like this? The bits get downloaded to your machine, but if Steam goes offline your SOL.

What steam could use is better download management. If they moved over to an on-demand streaming architecture it'd be really huge. The days you'd need to preload software could be over. This sort of thing has been solved many times before, so it's technically possible. In fact, as I type this I wonder why they haven't done it already.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by maldusiecle »

patio11 wrote: post #112
e12e wrote: post #19

And this is why I won't trust SaaS that doesn't provide a viable self-host solution (which for practical purposes tends to mean Free software, although I suppose "binary" only self-contained jars might be a realistic alternative). And also why I can't see myself selling/working on such a solution without providing some form of viable / realistic exit strategy/alternative. With traditional apps, you run the risk of eg…

It should be noted that "just spin up a VPS/dedicated server" is not a serious competition for most SaaS companies, nor is it a requirement for most people who buy SaaS. Try explaining that process to Office Manager Milly, whose #1 feature request is being able to fax documents to the SaaS app rather than having to upload them. Milly may have heard about Heartbleed recently. She doesn't understand public key cryptogr…

Naturally the hypothetical ignorant office manager is going to be a woman. This is ycombinator, after all.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by thenomad »

Udo wrote: post #93
DenisM wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've learned to live with centralized water and electricity and banking, all outside of our control, rather than rely on on-premises solutions. SaaS, too, will win out after a few hiccups.

In a very real sense our data is an extension of ourselves, a part of our minds. In contrast water, electricity, and banking are by-and-large anonymous basic services that have no further properties. I get that cloud storage people think of themselves as the utility providers of the future, after all it makes instinctive sense to want to own something which consumers will spend their whole lives on. I've been in meet…

also the right to keep our very own creative output.

This is exactly what creeps me the hell out about these subscription plans, and I don't see it discussed enough.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by hrktb »

jon-wood wrote: post #164
hrktb wrote: post #97

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I'm not sure to understand your point. Does it boil down to "single point of failure are bad"? There are alternatives to each of the Adobe products, self hosted and available offline. People going the Creative Cloud route for their daily job are in a situation where the alternative costed too much or doesn't allow them to do their job in a sufficient way, so there was no real viable options from the start. The proble…

> I don't think they have an image of high quality software either, they do some amazing things and bring killer features, but I harldy heard anyone being loyal to Adobe itself. Having worked with designers I'm going to disagree. For most designers Photoshop or Illustrator are the only tools they'll even consider using because they're so much more powerful than the competition. That's changing a little with things li…

I agree with the power of Photoshop or Illustrator. But do you consider it highly well designed, solid and polished software ?

I am not a Photoshop user so my image is from hearsay, feel free to state your opinion. But what I heard was it's bloated, doesn't fully integrate/take advantage of the OS and hardware potential, crashes every once in a while and you'll have nothing to do about it.

To make a parrallel with coding tools, I feel it's on the same league as Eclipse. It's the very obvious choice for some application stacks, has tons of feature and it's plenty powerful. But I don't think most people love working with it (at least I don't), there's just no good enough alternative for the thing they want to do.

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