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Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by stephenr »

kybernetyk wrote: post #94
ant_sz wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something but not everything is suit for SaaS, not nothing either. I think Adobe CC is an example of useless cloud service. In fact I think the only reason Adobe insist on providing a cloud service is to avoid piracy.

Adobe CC is a sales experiment if you can extract subscription fees from tradition desktop software users. As a user I hope they fail. As a traditional desktop software vendor I hope they succeed.

Other companies have proven that subscription models work when you get it right.

I pay a yearly subscription for my IDE so I can get major updates.

If I stop paying the software doesn't stop working.

Adobe is just doing what adobe does best - extracting the most amount of money with the worst possible product they can.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by rangibaby »

asdfaoeu wrote: post #50
nnq wrote: post #37

My recipe for dealing with "cranky" proprietary software like this: Step 1. Buy CC subscription and install what you need. Step 2. Look for a good patch/crack that makes everything work ofline, and that still allows you to update. Step 3. Make peace with the risk of having installed some possible malware on your machine with the patch/crack (ie. do the sensible thing of doing you shopping and ebanking on the other de…

> risk of having installed some possible malware Are you talking about the Creative Cloud drm or the crack?

You don't need a crack for CC, just to block Adobe's activation servers in your hosts after installing. (AFAIK)

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by nknighthb »

danpat wrote: post #90
exodust wrote: post #75

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You know what Google Maps needs? Offline downloadable map functionality. They had that feature, then removed it, then put it back... now I honestly don't know where it's at. Browsing offline maps is a breath of fresh air, it's so much quicker. Obviously you wouldn't download the whole world, only your home city or whatever. But it's lightning fast to zoom and pan around an offline map compared with connecting over mo…

It's mostly a question of storage. Here's a great tool for getting a feel: http://tools.geofabrik.de/calc/#type=geofabrik_standard&bbox... Z=18 is rarely used, so for Z You could try vector data which would be smaller, but then you have to display it, which can be computationally expensive if you want it to look pretty, and you'd lose the snappiness you're seeking.

You've just told us a good-sized city fits in about 1/200th of my phone's storage. I'll take a dozen.

Actually, you could fit the entirety of the state of Washington in I'm not seeing a problem.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

narrator wrote: post #3
aeberbach wrote: post #2

And this is why proprietary lock-in is wrong. Adobe seem to do all they can to screw up the computer their software is installed on. On a Mac you are supposed to drag an app into the Applications folder; to delete it, drag it to trash. Adobe software doesn't work like this. To install a trial of their software you have to install multiple apps, that can't be easily removed, and put up with their stupid Adobe logo in…

What's funny is this is what Quark did in the 90s and then they got their market share stolen by Adobe. The same thing will happen to Adobe at some point. There will be so much user frustration that people will pack up and leave to the first reasonable tool that comes along.

Undortunately, in my experience, this simply will not happen. Most designers I've worked with are wedded to Adobe so tightly that they won't even conceive of an alternative, and are utterly lost without it. Unfortunately, that perpetuates the monopoly, extortionate pricing, and allows poor service such as in this case.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by pestaa »

peterkelly wrote: post #91

"A distributed system is one in which the failure of a computer you didn't even know existed can render your own computer unusable." - Leslie Lamport

I consider this quote tounge in cheek. A properly distributed system will keep your system functioning even when remote components are down.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by CaptainZapp »

DenisM wrote: post #59
na85 wrote: post #55

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I sure hope not. It's rare for me to encounter SaaS that provides a better service than something I can install and run natively.

Surely there is something? E.g. Google Maps was a breath of fresh air after MapPoint.

Since I have a Nokia phone, which permits me to download maps for specific countries and regions, I'm not dependent on Google - (or any other on-line) maps.

I'd wager that Nokia provides equal, if not - arguably - better quality than Google maps and I don't need to incur insane roaming charges when using a map abroad.

Granted, there are a few functions, that require a net connection, but basic map functionality and navigation works very well without being on-line.

Maps are only one example. I can't think of many applications, which I would prefer as a "cloud" based service as opposed to native.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by amirmc »

Udo wrote: post #93
DenisM wrote: post #49

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We've learned to live with centralized water and electricity and banking, all outside of our control, rather than rely on on-premises solutions. SaaS, too, will win out after a few hiccups.

In a very real sense our data is an extension of ourselves, a part of our minds. In contrast water, electricity, and banking are by-and-large anonymous basic services that have no further properties. I get that cloud storage people think of themselves as the utility providers of the future, after all it makes instinctive sense to want to own something which consumers will spend their whole lives on. I've been in meet…

The only way to give people back control, while maintaining the benefits of 'the cloud', is to make it insanely simple for people to run their own infrastructure. I'm working on the building blocks to make this a reality.

http://nymote.org/blog/2013/introducing-nymote/

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by reedlaw »

DenisM wrote: post #49
e12e wrote: post #19

And this is why I won't trust SaaS that doesn't provide a viable self-host solution (which for practical purposes tends to mean Free software, although I suppose "binary" only self-contained jars might be a realistic alternative). And also why I can't see myself selling/working on such a solution without providing some form of viable / realistic exit strategy/alternative. With traditional apps, you run the risk of eg…

We've learned to live with centralized water and electricity and banking, all outside of our control, rather than rely on on-premises solutions. SaaS, too, will win out after a few hiccups.

I think GNU gets it right: SaaS would be more aptly termed Service as a Software Substitute (SaaSS).[1] The Creative Suite used to work fine before they turned it into a cloud "service". There is no good reason to make software that runs as native binaries on two platforms (Mac and Windows) dependent on remote servers.

1. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#SaaS

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by hackerboos »

thirsteh wrote: post #32
ISL wrote: post #16

Does anyone have access to GIMP download statistics for the past ~10 days? Edit: Answering my own question... Not the main repository, but it's something. http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-win/files/GIMP%20%2B%20...

Too bad GIMP is such a crappy alternative.

Pixelmator is a much better solution if you're on a Mac. Not free though...
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