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India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

monsterix wrote: post #58
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let us apply a non zero amount of critical thinking and logic. > Narendra Modi and his team of murderers You either have evidence for that statement or you don't. 1. If it is the first, go to the courts, else you will be deemed complicit in the murders. 2. If it is the latter, you are not telling the truth. Which one is it?

You mean go to a Modi controlled court and ask milord Modi "where should I seek justice against the crimes you have been doing?" I am sure you are smarter than this.

This comment marks the day when HN comments were more retarded than Reddit's.

> Modi controlled court ... I am sure you are smarter than this.

Do you have any idea how courts work in India or who the central govt. was over the last ten years?

But of course, if you cannot go to the courts in India, go to the UN.

Go to r/conspiracy where you can talk about how the illumanati is adding fluoride to our water to deprive us of our vital essence.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by anu_gupta »

discardorama wrote: post #36
cstross wrote: post #33

Calling Modi "pro-business" seems like a bit of an over-simplication. He's a member of the RSS ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashtriya_Swayamsevak_Sangh ), which is arguably a violently anti-muslim paramilitary group, as well as leading the BJP ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatiya_Janata_Party ). It's not unreasonable to call the BJP centre-right on economic/business issues ... but they have other policies as…

> I'm not Indian and have no connection to the sub-continent. I am, so allow me. 1. The RSS is not "violently anti-muslim", despite what you read on teh internets. They have a Muslim wing, so to speak: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-saffron-muslim/... 2. If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good. 3. The US deni…

> If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good.

Well, its stance on homosexuality, for one. It's not really hard to work out why many people are disturbed by the BJP, and even more so by Modi.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by yepyepyep »

not_that_noob wrote: post #127
yepyepyep wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I no longer live in India but have a large extended family that does. Being in the minority, they are filled with paranoia about what this could mean. I'm still skeptical if anything bad will happen but I am also not living there.

I think Modi knows that indulging in any mischief will (a) hurt business prospects and (b) make him look more of a fanatic in the eyes of the broader world. If anything I see him pushing for development to erase the legacy of the 2002 riots from memory. He said in the campaign - and this is true - 'toilets not temples', a reference to the building of a temple over the razed site of one of the oldest mosques in India…

Yep, basically what I believe too. Also, if you look at history, a lot of the worst troubles for the minorities have come during Congress' rule(which further bolsters your argument that those in power want stability more than those not in power).

I'm actually more wary of vested interests other than Modi who want there to be riots so they can position themselves as the saviors of minority. These groups exist on both sides. Hopefully the saner people on both sides will keep them in check.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by discardorama »

scarmig wrote: post #99
discardorama wrote: post #86

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As I said, riots are far too frequent in India; even 1 riot is 1 too many. I was in Delhi in 1984. I saw the result of Congress goons going after Sikhs. And yet there was no Supreme Court enquiry. The Prime Minister (Rajiv Gandhi) was never held accountable, since Delhi was a UT at that time. How come no tears are shed for my Sikh brothers?

I don't think you understand how this works. It's not "Congress gets one communal violence pass free, it's only fair if the BJP gets a communal violence pass too!"

No, I don't think you understand how it works.

If you are going to hold someone to a standard, then hold EVERYONE to that standard. You can't just hold someone to an arbitrary standard just because you don't like them.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by discardorama »

anu_gupta wrote: post #132
discardorama wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm not Indian and have no connection to the sub-continent. I am, so allow me. 1. The RSS is not "violently anti-muslim", despite what you read on teh internets. They have a Muslim wing, so to speak: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/the-saffron-muslim/... 2. If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good. 3. The US deni…

> If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good. Well, its stance on homosexuality, for one. It's not really hard to work out why many people are disturbed by the BJP, and even more so by Modi.

Why single out BJP? Why not the Congress, which _was_ in power when the High Court judgment came out, and could have passed a law legalizing homosexuality?

Actions, as they say, are louder than words. Congress was in a position to enact change; but decided not to.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by yepyepyep »

not_that_noob wrote: post #115

I find the Internet supporters of Modi/RSS/BJP a fascinating tribe. They are usually well-educated intelligent Indians, but with a marked tendency to turn off their critical-thinking faculties when the latter is mentioned. In addition, they expend enormous amounts of energy on the Internets trying in futility to paper over the obvious, and play the 'it's-all-a-aniti-hindu-conspiracy-card'. Hence the down votes for ra…

It just tells you that we all have serious blindspots. These super smart people, if they took a step back one day to review their logic, they would probably be very embarrassed.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by anu_gupta »

discardorama wrote: post #135
anu_gupta wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the "BJP has other policies, which are disturbing", please enlighten us. Just lobbing an attack and walking away doesn't do any good. Well, its stance on homosexuality, for one. It's not really hard to work out why many people are disturbed by the BJP, and even more so by Modi.

Why single out BJP? Why not the Congress, which _was_ in power when the High Court judgment came out, and could have passed a law legalizing homosexuality? Actions, as they say, are louder than words. Congress was in a position to enact change; but decided not to.

You wanted an example, I gave you an example - I guess you need to move the goalposts as you can't actually deny that Modi and the BJP have spoken out against homosexuality many times. As far as I'm aware, the Congress Party have pledged in their manifesto that the rights of sexual minorities will be protected.

If you want to have a reasoned and rational debate, then fine. If you're just going to try to employ cheap debating tricks to win an argument, then I have no real interest in that. Support who you want, makes little difference to me, beta.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by scarmig »

discardorama wrote: post #134
scarmig wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you understand how this works. It's not "Congress gets one communal violence pass free, it's only fair if the BJP gets a communal violence pass too!"

No, I don't think you understand how it works. If you are going to hold someone to a standard, then hold EVERYONE to that standard. You can't just hold someone to an arbitrary standard just because you don't like them.

I'm more than happy to condemn Narendra Modi and Rajiv Gandhi equally. Hell, I'll say Rajiv Gandhi was much worse. Neither of them would have gotten my vote in the last election. The former because he was complicit in communal violence in 2002, the latter because he was complicit in communal violence in 1984 and not running and dead.

Re: India's pro-business Modi storms to historic election win

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Post by monsterix »

z3phyr wrote: post #111
monsterix wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean go to a Modi controlled court and ask milord Modi "where should I seek justice against the crimes you have been doing?" I am sure you are smarter than this.

Modi controlled courts? Dude, do you believe in Indian democracy? Judiciary is independent of the executives. I strongly suggest you go to the courts.

Yes. I believe in its (courts') efficiencies and mess. Wish you a happy life stuck in the same court you're thumping your chest upon. I am sure you know more about Indian courts, than I do.

They are supposed to be independent, but they're not. Rut flows through it in the form of cash or life threatening pressures. But obviously you're so happy about it, so I can't convince you -- unless you go through it yourself.

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