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Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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Do we have people who study all three?

It is , in my opinion, an obvious solution. Or at least it should be for anyone who took control theory classes (or learned it by itself). So I guess is that a/ people who know engineering don't know what medical problems are, and (more likely) b/ there's a long, long way from an idea to working product.

Don't mean to put too fine a point on it, but could you give me any example of a consumer solution throughout history that you would not class as obvious? I'm wondering what your standards are.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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I believe it is the facts in this case that make the discussion unpalatable for certain posters. For example, separately, I actually wrote to this company during the comment thread, and received a reply. I found their reply very informative and posted it to the main thread (here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7753308 ) with a simple statement which nobody could find objectionable. It is my impression that some…

What "facts"? The fact that it wasn't any company research, but actually university-funded? The fact that the inventor was doing a PhD, not working for free?

Yes, those facts among others. If anything these facts imply he "wouldn't have needed" his patents, in order to get funded and build the thing.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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Let's entertain the notion, prevalent here, that this idea itself (like all ideas themselves) is worth absolutely nothing, and that any one of the teams in the world who have access to gyroscopes, servos, and microchips, should have the right to reproduce this hack at unit cost and drive these guys out of business. Its cost is listed at $295.00[1] and this is their only product. It's huge compared to what the best fa…

It's a highly regulated device. It's not going to be cheap, even without patents. Just look at hearing aids. Let's say they didn't have a patent. You'd need a significant investment, so you couldn't produce it at unit cost. There's development. A good engineer costs what ... 200k? Including stuff like taxes, overhead, etc. Let's say you need several (because there's the control systems, hardware design, casing, manuf…

No, a fork that responds to motion is not a highly regulated device.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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This is wonderful! I have to wonder - why is it that it took so long to come up with such a simple idea for such an obvious problem? I'd like to blame it on the "get rich, web app startup" mentality, but really, that's a fairly recent thing. Perhaps this is a harder problem than it seems? Or is it true that all our new inventors are chasing riches?

Two things to consider:

1) They claim they tested 100 algorithms over 2 years before they settled on one to bring to market. That's pretty much the definition of 'harder than it looks'.

2) This product requires sufficient cheap, powerful, and small accelerometers, processors, batteries, and sensors. All of which have really only come together in the last 4-5 years. Any engineer who made the connection in the 90s might have at most whipped together a prototype before doing the calculations and realizing that that it just wasn't viable.

Conceptually, it's simple. I've personally seen 2 senior year engineering student design projects that more or less do the same concept - do feedback control on the spoon. They even had -ok- looking prototype demos. You could look at their spoon vibrating less, and you could look at their metrics, and see their claims, but then you would really look at it, and think 'man, that 40% reduction in amplitude sure looks sweet, but does it actually do enough?'.

I can straight up tell you that nearly all 'simple' ideas become retarded complicated when they moosh up against a human being (or mother nature...), and 'complicated' ideas become even worse.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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My father being an ET sufferer who has had a useless DBS device implanted that he now leaves disabled at all times, I concur with your assessment.

I have seen the dark side to some of this. I think a lot of hospitals are rushing into implants without a lot of experience, and are either mis-implanting them or not selecting the candidates appropriately. IT's similar to another procedure like carotid endarterectomy in that it's very surgeon-dependent; you don't want it done by someone who does less than 25-30 cases a year.

Most frustrating part for my father was the doctor claiming a historical 95% success rate and then never being willing to admit that my father'd drawn the lot of the 5%.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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This is such an HN reply. Tear everything to shreds. Who cares if it "would be useful in a limited subset of cases where the tremor resembles another condition known as essential tremor"? Seriously, no one is forcing you to buy one. Be happy that people who are sick get the dignity of feeding themselves back. This is only positive. This can only get better. FFS...

> Tear everything to shreds. That's also called "constructive feedback" or "having something useful to say". OP offered his thoughts on the best cases where this technology could be applied while explaining how Parkinson actually works and how this limits the usefulness of this solution. If this is "such an HN reply", then this is also the kind of reply for which I come back to this site.

There is literally not a single sentence of "constructive feedback" in that post. Just a post being a typical HN complainer about how since it's not perfect it won't work. He did offer his thoughts on the "best cases" but he did it in the most typical dick head know-it-all way. There was nothing positive about his post when something like this is only positive. I'm shocked you come to this site for that type of comment when there are so many great comments that actually contribute and actually offer constructive feedback.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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Lets just be clear... He recommended BRAIN SURGERY rather than a simple "hack" spoon.

Well, so what? It seems to be a standard medical practice. It only sounds scary because it's new / we're used to have it sound scary in TV shows.

It also sounds expensive.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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I'm a little late commenting, but I developed a Windows app [1] that does exactly this for the mouse. It basically applies some fancy FIR filters to the x and y deltas. [1] www.steadymouse.com

Wonderful; like OS X's "Slow Keys" but for the mouse pointer instead. This should be included as a built-in accessibility option in every operating system. Have you thought about open-sourcing your implementation to encourage others to take a jab at it and port it to other platforms?

Hey, thanks! I'd also love to see it built in to operating systems someday. It'd be much cleaner and easier to implement there as well. When I wrote steadymouse I had two choices: 1) Implement a driver (which is overkill if you ask me) or 2) Use a mouse hook in a very convoluted way (As is, the low level mouse hook doesn't easily let you "modify and pass on" mouse data). Applying DSP math to the mouse would be much easier within the OS. As for open sourcing the project, I've considered it and may eventually go that route. I'd like to clean it up first though and have the time to stay a part of the active development...maybe it's just hard for me to let go.
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