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Do we have people who study all three?
It is , in my opinion, an obvious solution. Or at least it should be for anyone who took control theory classes (or learned it by itself). So I guess is that a/ people who know engineering don't know what medical problems are, and (more likely) b/ there's a long, long way from an idea to working product.
Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors
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I believe it is the facts in this case that make the discussion unpalatable for certain posters. For example, separately, I actually wrote to this company during the comment thread, and received a reply. I found their reply very informative and posted it to the main thread (here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7753308 ) with a simple statement which nobody could find objectionable. It is my impression that some…
What "facts"? The fact that it wasn't any company research, but actually university-funded? The fact that the inventor was doing a PhD, not working for free?
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#73Let's entertain the notion, prevalent here, that this idea itself (like all ideas themselves) is worth absolutely nothing, and that any one of the teams in the world who have access to gyroscopes, servos, and microchips, should have the right to reproduce this hack at unit cost and drive these guys out of business. Its cost is listed at $295.00[1] and this is their only product. It's huge compared to what the best fa…
It's a highly regulated device. It's not going to be cheap, even without patents. Just look at hearing aids. Let's say they didn't have a patent. You'd need a significant investment, so you couldn't produce it at unit cost. There's development. A good engineer costs what ... 200k? Including stuff like taxes, overhead, etc. Let's say you need several (because there's the control systems, hardware design, casing, manuf…
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#74This is wonderful! I have to wonder - why is it that it took so long to come up with such a simple idea for such an obvious problem? I'd like to blame it on the "get rich, web app startup" mentality, but really, that's a fairly recent thing. Perhaps this is a harder problem than it seems? Or is it true that all our new inventors are chasing riches?
1) They claim they tested 100 algorithms over 2 years before they settled on one to bring to market. That's pretty much the definition of 'harder than it looks'.
2) This product requires sufficient cheap, powerful, and small accelerometers, processors, batteries, and sensors. All of which have really only come together in the last 4-5 years. Any engineer who made the connection in the 90s might have at most whipped together a prototype before doing the calculations and realizing that that it just wasn't viable.
Conceptually, it's simple. I've personally seen 2 senior year engineering student design projects that more or less do the same concept - do feedback control on the spoon. They even had -ok- looking prototype demos. You could look at their spoon vibrating less, and you could look at their metrics, and see their claims, but then you would really look at it, and think 'man, that 40% reduction in amplitude sure looks sweet, but does it actually do enough?'.
I can straight up tell you that nearly all 'simple' ideas become retarded complicated when they moosh up against a human being (or mother nature...), and 'complicated' ideas become even worse.
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My father being an ET sufferer who has had a useless DBS device implanted that he now leaves disabled at all times, I concur with your assessment.
I have seen the dark side to some of this. I think a lot of hospitals are rushing into implants without a lot of experience, and are either mis-implanting them or not selecting the candidates appropriately. IT's similar to another procedure like carotid endarterectomy in that it's very surgeon-dependent; you don't want it done by someone who does less than 25-30 cases a year.
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This is such an HN reply. Tear everything to shreds. Who cares if it "would be useful in a limited subset of cases where the tremor resembles another condition known as essential tremor"? Seriously, no one is forcing you to buy one. Be happy that people who are sick get the dignity of feeding themselves back. This is only positive. This can only get better. FFS...
> Tear everything to shreds. That's also called "constructive feedback" or "having something useful to say". OP offered his thoughts on the best cases where this technology could be applied while explaining how Parkinson actually works and how this limits the usefulness of this solution. If this is "such an HN reply", then this is also the kind of reply for which I come back to this site.
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#78I like the idea, but I think the spoon is a bit shallow. It would be hard to eat soup with it.
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Lets just be clear... He recommended BRAIN SURGERY rather than a simple "hack" spoon.
Well, so what? It seems to be a standard medical practice. It only sounds scary because it's new / we're used to have it sound scary in TV shows.
Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors
#80I'm a little late commenting, but I developed a Windows app [1] that does exactly this for the mouse. It basically applies some fancy FIR filters to the x and y deltas. [1] www.steadymouse.com
Wonderful; like OS X's "Slow Keys" but for the mouse pointer instead. This should be included as a built-in accessibility option in every operating system. Have you thought about open-sourcing your implementation to encourage others to take a jab at it and port it to other platforms?