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Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by damon_c »

x0x0 wrote: post #30
rtpg wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have the data to back it up, but (for example) data loss as a whole have probably considerably gone down with transitions to SaaS. Sure you can self-host, but who do you trust more: some guy on your team who has other things to do, or a team that does only that ? And a team whose livelyhood depends on uptime/data protection. Here people can't work, but imagine the amount of work if there was a data failure on…

time machine in the event of a theft, I can walk into an apple store, purchase an in stock macbook, let time machine recover for ~30 minutes, and get back to work edit: just to be clear, I bet the vast majority of users will, even after this 24+ hours, experience less net downtime. Nonetheless, when I need to hit a deadline, with installed software, I have a viable plan b. The viable plan b here appears to be to grov…

I recently spilled a little coffee on a MacBook Air. As the screen flickered its last flicks, I zipped up my .ssh directory and put it on Dropbox. Got off the bus, went to the Apple Store...I Was back to work in the time it took to install homebrew.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by e12e »

DenisM wrote: post #49
e12e wrote: post #19

And this is why I won't trust SaaS that doesn't provide a viable self-host solution (which for practical purposes tends to mean Free software, although I suppose "binary" only self-contained jars might be a realistic alternative). And also why I can't see myself selling/working on such a solution without providing some form of viable / realistic exit strategy/alternative. With traditional apps, you run the risk of eg…

We've learned to live with centralized water and electricity and banking, all outside of our control, rather than rely on on-premises solutions. SaaS, too, will win out after a few hiccups.

I don't know about you, but I happen to live in a place were those things are still mostly under government control, and we very, very rarely see blackouts of the kind that have hit eg parts of the US from time to time.

And I don't need banking 24/7 to do my job. I don't need water 24/7 to live, especially if an outage is made public in advance. I am (too) dependent on electricity -- but there are alternatives if I need them (eg: rent/buy a generator and gasoline -- probably not viable in a massive blackout, though. At any rate it is certainly easy to plan for (and not too expensive)).

So most of these fall squarely in the "viable alternative" or not-essential (24/7) category.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by [deleted] »

DenisM wrote: post #49
e12e wrote: post #19

And this is why I won't trust SaaS that doesn't provide a viable self-host solution (which for practical purposes tends to mean Free software, although I suppose "binary" only self-contained jars might be a realistic alternative). And also why I can't see myself selling/working on such a solution without providing some form of viable / realistic exit strategy/alternative. With traditional apps, you run the risk of eg…

We've learned to live with centralized water and electricity and banking, all outside of our control, rather than rely on on-premises solutions. SaaS, too, will win out after a few hiccups.

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Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by girvo »

camus2 wrote: post #56
girvo wrote: post #41

I'm a developer, and I only use Adobes products to pull images and the like out of Photoshop/Illustrator files given to me by my design team. I don't want to use Adobes software, as its entirely wasted on me. But I don't think any of the other apps handle PSD's (a horrid file format) well enough to allow me to replace them :( Anyone in my position that has replaced them? What should I look at?

what made Fireworks cool is that it used png as native file format,so even if you didnt have the software installed,you could open the file with any soft that support PNG. And guess what ,that wonderfull piece of software was retired by adobe.

Everything Macromedia made, I loved. Then Adobe bought them, and killed all the software that I loved using. Sigh.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by exodust »

DenisM wrote: post #59
na85 wrote: post #55

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I sure hope not. It's rare for me to encounter SaaS that provides a better service than something I can install and run natively.

Surely there is something? E.g. Google Maps was a breath of fresh air after MapPoint.

You know what Google Maps needs? Offline downloadable map functionality. They had that feature, then removed it, then put it back... now I honestly don't know where it's at.

Browsing offline maps is a breath of fresh air, it's so much quicker. Obviously you wouldn't download the whole world, only your home city or whatever. But it's lightning fast to zoom and pan around an offline map compared with connecting over mobile bandwidth.

Browsing maps in Airplane mode should be possible. It's a map after all, not a website.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by girvo »

jawngee wrote: post #62

You can still use CC software, you just can't update or have access to their shitty sync software. But all the apps work, they don't require an internet connection (for 30 days at least), so it's not the disaster everyone is making it out to be.

No, about a dozen designers here couldn't even launch Photoshop for a solid hour. Something really broke today it seems.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by e12e »

sureshv wrote: post #61
smtddr wrote: post #27

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>>A little downtime from time to time can't be avoided. People just love to complain. If you feel this way then image-editing isn't your core task in your job. Imagine if the github.com maintainers had your attitude. "Meh, some downtime here 'n there. Whuchagonnado? " A github outage for _OVER 24 HOURS_ would freakin' wreck me and my coworkers. The image-editing department for a high-fashion magazine in New York or P…

I would think git's distributed nature would make this a lesser issue. You would just have to set up another remote target and push/pull from that (say on AWS or some other provider).

Sure. But not having access to the tickets database might cripple a team pretty badly.

One reason I'm still toying with the idea of trying fossil[1] "for real" and/or find/make a tool that distributes issues within mercurial/git like http://www.bugseverywhere.org/

Note-to-self: looks like hattawiki might be a nice companion on the path to "distributed everything":

http://hatta-wiki.org/Install

[1] https://www.fossil-scm.org/

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by schrijver »

lucaspiller wrote: post #58
e12e wrote: post #53

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I've had fair success using Gimp for similar use-cases -- with the caveat that that is mostly for design mock-ups made in photoshop (no vector graphics to speak of). There's definitely a learning curve, and Gimp still has a long way to go -- but it's passed into "usable" quite a while ago for my uses. [edit: if anyone knows of other alternatives (preferably that runs on Linux and/or under Wine, preferably Free softwa…

I used to do this until somebody sent me an Illustrator file. GIMP or any other free alternative (e.g. Inkscape) I've found won't handle those correctly.

I recently had to open a simple Illustrator file in Inkscape and it worked well enough. But yeah I wouldn’t be surprised if it choked on more complicated stuff. You can of course always ask your clients to save as SVG.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by rgrieselhuber »

jawngee wrote: post #62

You can still use CC software, you just can't update or have access to their shitty sync software. But all the apps work, they don't require an internet connection (for 30 days at least), so it's not the disaster everyone is making it out to be.

Not true. I couldn't launch any of the applications.

Re: Creative Cloud outage leaves Adobe users unable to work

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Post by skrebbel »

e12e wrote: post #72
DenisM wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We've learned to live with centralized water and electricity and banking, all outside of our control, rather than rely on on-premises solutions. SaaS, too, will win out after a few hiccups.

I don't know about you, but I happen to live in a place were those things are still mostly under government control, and we very, very rarely see blackouts of the kind that have hit eg parts of the US from time to time. And I don't need banking 24/7 to do my job. I don't need water 24/7 to live, especially if an outage is made public in advance. I am (too) dependent on electricity -- but there are alternatives if I n…

> I don't know about you, but I happen to live in a place were those things are still mostly under government control, and we very, very rarely see blackouts of the kind that have hit eg parts of the US from time to time.

That's just propaganda. I'm sure there's places where water and electricity are under government control and it still sucks, and i bet there's places where they aren't and everything works great.

It weakens the rest of your argument.

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