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Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

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post #7

Let's entertain the notion, prevalent here, that this idea itself (like all ideas themselves) is worth absolutely nothing, and that any one of the teams in the world who have access to gyroscopes, servos, and microchips, should have the right to reproduce this hack at unit cost and drive these guys out of business. Its cost is listed at $295.00[1] and this is their only product. It's huge compared to what the best fa…

I suspect if you tried to copy their idea it'll take you as much time as it took them if you want to match their algorithms. Meanwhile they're earning money and popularity because they were the first to market. You might even find a better algorithm or at least match theirs, which adds another competitor to the market. In the end everyone (especially the consumer) wins. Not a very good defense of patents to be honest…

>I suspect if you tried to copy their idea it'll take you as much time as it took them if you want to match their algorithms.

How long do you think it took them to get to just the current, non-waterproof (eating utensil!) stage? I invite you to write down a guess before continuing to read this comment.

http://leadersinheels.com/tech/interview-anupam-pathak-found... states "The entire process took about three years from start to finish."

And whereas you open your comment "I suspect if you tried to copy..." but I hope you can extend that "you" to 3 years - or even six months - of Samsung, G.E., Roche, or Eli Lilly copying their prototype. Meanwhile, six months from now their prototype still won't be waterproof, and will still be the size it is now.

Regarding the part after your ------:

The problem is that what you call the "controversial" part is precisely the type of "idea-only" thing that is at issue here. If you're a product engineer for G.E. you can literally copy this invention in 6 months given nothing more than a budget of $1M and this video - literally zero other information.

At $295 that equates to 3389 units sold worldwide to generate that in gross revenue. (Meanwhile "Approximately 60,000 Americans are diagnosed with Parkinson's disease each year" according to http://www.pdf.org/en/parkinson_statistics).

If Eli Lilly had the right to do it, writing that check would be a no-brainer. How does Eli LIlly's manufacturing, distribution, and credibility in the medical space as well as access to care providers and brand name, relate to "Lift Labs"'s? If Eli Lilly were allowed to write that check and come onto market, six months from now Lift Labs would be a footnote.

Instead Lift Labs is afforded the sole right to provide all 60,000 sufferers detected every year, and every existing sufferer, with their solution, as well as to license it to Eli Lilly or any other company it wants.

This is progress in action.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

#22
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that one of the responses, ronaldx, completely agrees with the point that I put in sarcasm, stating "The problem is that your sarcastic position sounds pretty good to me", shows that while the position seems smug and superior to you, it is actually a reasonable one around here. The sarcastic part literally sounds pretty good to people here, and two posters have expressed agreement with it. And look at the re…

Again, I'm not saying your position is wrong. I'm saying that your point is buried beneath your sarcasm and your ceaseless series of edits and revisions.

rosser: please bear in mind that while you are saying "I'm not saying your position is wrong", two respondents actually agree with the position taken in the marked "sarcastic part" :)

so this certainly identifies an avenue for discussion, even if you do not prefer this way of bringing it up.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have essential tremor not quite as bad as shown in the video but bad enough I'd be interested in such a spoon. I've tried Propranolol, a common tremor treating medication, but found the side effects (drowsiness) too unpleasant for frequent use. I have an anesthesiologist friend who reminds me of the surgery option every so often but brain surgery doesn't strike me as elegant as much as serious and invasive. My frie…

Obviously something like brain surgery shouldn't be taken lightly, but I've had a family friend with tremors go through the process and the result is pretty amazing. Went from pretty severe tremors to appearing basically completely cured. This is a pretty good example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBh2LxTW0s0

I completely agree. How someone decides to treat a condition is a deeply personal choice and I certainly didn't mean for my comment to be a recommendation for anyone else. Just that this spoon looks like a great option for a lot of people, me in particular.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

#24
Things like this are just a total blessing to people who need them and its awesome to see affordable technology like this taking place for people who can't even take part in the one of the most important functions of life. A lot of people are talking about if there is a big enough market/etc, we should probably assume the creator only wants to cover his cost since this invention was probably created by people who had family suffering from such a thing. Any profits would probably make the inventor(s) delighted.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

#25
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such an HN reply. Tear everything to shreds. Who cares if it "would be useful in a limited subset of cases where the tremor resembles another condition known as essential tremor"? Seriously, no one is forcing you to buy one. Be happy that people who are sick get the dignity of feeding themselves back. This is only positive. This can only get better. FFS...

> Tear everything to shreds. That's also called "constructive feedback" or "having something useful to say". OP offered his thoughts on the best cases where this technology could be applied while explaining how Parkinson actually works and how this limits the usefulness of this solution. If this is "such an HN reply", then this is also the kind of reply for which I come back to this site.

Lets just be clear... He recommended BRAIN SURGERY rather than a simple "hack" spoon.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

#26
post #8

This is interesting, but IMHO, will not be as useful in most cases of Parkinson's disease. 1) Parkinsonian tremor is typically at rest or with distraction. When you actually engage in purposeful action, such as using a spoon, the tremor usually dampens or goes away. 2) The main problem in Parkinson's is actually "bradykinesia" or slowness of movement. A more accurate term, in my opinion, is slowness of motor planning…

It's primarily intended for Essential Tremor, and actually most people don't elect to get DBS, and most don't qualify. Brain surgery is a risky procedure, and most individuals at 60+ have complicating factors that disqualify them from DBS. That's why so few operations have been done relative to the patient population size.

The device isn't a "hack", but a non-invasive way to deal with the problem.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

#29
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is such an HN reply. Tear everything to shreds. Who cares if it "would be useful in a limited subset of cases where the tremor resembles another condition known as essential tremor"? Seriously, no one is forcing you to buy one. Be happy that people who are sick get the dignity of feeding themselves back. This is only positive. This can only get better. FFS...

> Tear everything to shreds. That's also called "constructive feedback" or "having something useful to say". OP offered his thoughts on the best cases where this technology could be applied while explaining how Parkinson actually works and how this limits the usefulness of this solution. If this is "such an HN reply", then this is also the kind of reply for which I come back to this site.

A small amount of "constructive feedback" drowned out by the excessive pessimism that one can only find in HN comments. Let me also mention that we don't live in a world where everyone can(or even wants to) get brain surgery.

Re: Tremor-cancelling spoon for Parkinson's tremors

#30
I made a point about the importance of patents for this invention, but it is better to receive it straight from the source: http://imgur.com/Q99L8V3

(the bottom just quotes my letter, already visible)

This product and company would not exist without patents on what amounts to an idea.

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