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Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by pyre »

indiejade wrote: post #45
TomOfTTB wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Social Security is (or is at least supposed to be) reimbursement of money you paid into the system. Welfare is a system in which society has chosen to give people money to live to prevent them from having no money at all so it's a gift not payment for any service.

Social Security is (or is at least supposed to be) reimbursement of money you paid into the system. This is true only to the extent that it reimburses/rewards/repays people who actually work. It isn't really based on how much you pay, but the taxable amount of your income. Also, how long you've been working. Interesting that this topic should come up; just this morning I received my yearly information statement from…

> That's how the people in the air-conditioned offices like it, don't they?

Yes, all Social Security advocates work in air-conditioned offices, and all people in air-conditioned offices are Social Security advocates. I love it when the world turns out to be black and white after all, instead of those messy shades of grey...

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by fburnaby »

californiaguy wrote: post #14

No, fuck this guy and his bullshit attitude. I'm 25 and I work over 12 hours a day in my technology services company and startup projects and I make a good god damn living for myself and so does everyone who puts in time for our company. It's his problem for believing the bullshit "adults" told him all his life. I knew from day one it was complete and utter nonsense. I bet he learned to blame others from them too. He…

It's his problem for believing the bullshit "adults" told him all his life. I knew from day one it was complete and utter nonsense.

This what he's warning everyone else against? Don't trust the lying fuckers. He did and he's now screwed. It may be his fault for having believed them, but it's a great thing for him to warn other potential suckers.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by kp212 » 

  All I can say is, and I've been working over 8 years, if I was graduating college in this economy with 50+k in loans, no job, the worst UE rate in 20+ years, I'd be pissed as well. Not saying its right, not saying its wrong, just saying...

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by etravers »

And now a few words from a parent...

We tell you these things so you will apply yourself and have what it takes when/if you get the opportunity. There is a diff between flipping burgers because [the market is tight| you're working through college| any other hurdle] and flipping burgers because you aren't qualified to do anything else. We remember questioning "when will I need to know X when I grow up?". Nine times out of ten they are teaching something completely useless, but it is something you have to work your way through.

I tell my kids that the majority of what is taught in school is bullsh|t, but it is something they must/will do because if they do not they will have to answer to me. I tell them that the most important parts of school aren't remembering why some old dead guy crossed the Delaware. The most important things are learning how to solve problems and think for themselves. I tell them the controlling, idiotic teachers they are dealing with now are just like the controlling, idiotic bosses and coworkers they will be dealing with when they enter the job market so they better get used to it.

I teach them to take responsibility for their own screw-ups and short comings and the importance of remaining focused and humble when they are the hero of the moment.

It sounds as though some kids get the sugar and spice version. Now that you know the truth adjust accordingly and get on with it!

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by rsheridan6 »

steveplace wrote: post #79
rsheridan6 wrote: post #69

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If that happened to you now, you would be crushed by student loans that would be unpayable on Denny's wages, possibly going into default before you got your first real paycheck.

Can't default on student loans. It'll get pulled out of any paychecks.

No, garnished paychecks, among other things, are a consequence of defaulting.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by rsheridan6 »

presidentender wrote: post #70
rsheridan6 wrote: post #69

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If that happened to you now, you would be crushed by student loans that would be unpayable on Denny's wages, possibly going into default before you got your first real paycheck.

Or you could work while going to school, skip the partying, ride a bicycle, and keep your debt to a repayable level. I am 22 and I have a real job. During school, I washed a lot of dishes, picked up a lot of construction site refuse, drove a lot of nails, cut a lot of boards, and cleaned up a lot of spyware. Now I write software, for more than the spyware and dishwashing, but less than the construction. I'll still be…

It depends on what you're doing and where you're going. I suppose that might be reasonable at a big state school with relatively low tuition for a CS degree, which makes sense at this website. OTOH, if you're going to a private school or a professional school, your part time job doesn't amount to squat compared to tuition.

In almost any imaginable scenario, you have it worse today than some 50 year old had it in the seventies.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by squashed »

chubbard wrote: post #80

Knowing everything you know now. Would you not do your homework, participate in extracurricular activities, play sports, learn to play the piano, apply and attend a good college? If not then what? Do you feel you wasted your time doing those things?

My article. Yes I would do it again. I would probably take Spanish instead of Latin. That would have been useful.

All those things are good things to do in themselves--and many will be useful in the future. That said, It's a rough time for a lot of people graduating now--and it's ridiculous to see older people pretend that they're having trouble because they did something wrong.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by andreyf »

nostrademons wrote: post #88
andreyf wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things are much better now, then. For every person complaining, there are a lot of people working quietly - I graduated a year ago, and I had no trouble finding a job (and then switching it a couple of months ago) - but that's just one example, maybe I got lucky. Still, I can't think of a single college friend whom I could honestly call smart who can't found a job. Yes, I'm sure the people that wasted their time in c…

That's what I see among my friends, but I wonder if that holds across all socioeconomic strata. It seems like this recession hit the upper reaches of society first - finance, consulting, lawyers, universities and venture capital - and then worked its way down to regular unemployment. The news now is that finance is recovering (thanks to government bailouts), but the consumer picture is getting worse . Retail and manu…

The examples I was thinking of were all either CS, Math, or hard sciences - a lot of them chose to go to grad school, though.

Re: On those "Entitled" Twenty-Somethings

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Post by mmt »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #47
mmt wrote: post #5

The author was lied to, but not by me or my kind. I actually vaguely remember hearing the same lies, but not from my parents, at least not without the "nobody owes you anything" caveat. It didn't take me long to realize, intuitively, if not explicitly, that finishing college wouldn't help me get the job I wanted. Today, obviously, it might not even help me get any job. Even absent an entrepreneurship opportunity, I d…

False dichotomy. You can go to college and start a business or learn a trade. And it gives you way more choices and options, not to mention enriching your life.

Assuming infinite time and resources, it's absolutely a false dichotomy.

However, especially from the standpoint of a graduating high school senior, it is very real.

I think there's an implied "first" (or "next" after secondary school) in all of this.

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