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Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by Zarel »

lifeisstillgood wrote: post #28
w1ntermute wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They will literally ask you in advertisement to enter certain phrases in a search engine to let you find their web property. I have noticed this on occasion, and found it very surprising. They're basically handing control over access to their site to the search engine. That seems like a very bad idea.

No different to "Facebook.com/BigBrand" if that's where most of your audience spends their time online fighting it might be foolish

The other difference is that Facebook is unlikely to change who controls "facebook.com/BigBrand". On the other hand, search phrases can be gamed.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by yzhou »

khuey wrote: post #60
yzhou wrote: post #34

the point of using number in the domain is, a lot of Chinese people don't know letters, they don't know English words and they can't get "PinYin"(using letters to represent Chinese words) right. How do you make these people type urls in the browser? well, luckily, they all know numbers!

Are there really computer-literate Mandarin speakers in China who don't know pinyin? How do they input text? The only serious non-pinyin IMEs I'm aware of are the bopomofo ones for traditional characters in Taiwan.

many older people like my dad, don't know pinyin well. he doesn't input texts, but he browses web sites. He uses a default home pages full of links to start exploring the web.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by vikramrajkumar »

dperfect wrote: post #39
alcari wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there's no need for special support in the DNS system or other infrastructure Many TLDs disallow registrations containing punycode. Take a look at Wikipedia's (incomplete?) list of those that do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cctlds

Interesting. From what I can tell though, the lack of support from those TLDs seems to be deliberate rather than due to any technical challenge (the domain you register ends up just looking like standard alphanumeric ASCII with some dashes). I may be wrong, but it probably requires more effort for a TLD to disallow IDNs as they'd have to implement a test to try and detect a punycode string within the ASCII. The one t…

> The one technical challenge I suppose could be a concern would be optionally implementing some sort of test to detect domain registration attempts that use similar-looking characters to those in existing legitimate domains (e.g., registrations from scammers attempting phishing attacks with domains that look similar to other domains but use different extended characters).

This is called the IDN homograph attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDN_homograph_attack).

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by gurkendoktor »

ezl wrote: post #24
autarch wrote: post #21

1688 is not prounounced as "yoh-leeyoh-ba-ba". The 1 is pronounced as "ee". This actually makes it closer to Alibaba.

Yao (pin yin first tone) is a common way to say "one" in northern china when reciting multiple digits and basically the only way Beijing locals say 1 in a phone number or a string of numbers. for going to a market and asking for 1 of something, "yi" is the preferred way. Pretty uncommon among southern Chinese people and Taiwanese (many American mandarin speakers are of Taiwanese descent).

The Yao pronunciation was introduced to me as the "military" one in Taiwan. Kind of like you would use "foxtrot" to spell out F on the phone.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by gurkendoktor »

khuey wrote: post #60
yzhou wrote: post #34

the point of using number in the domain is, a lot of Chinese people don't know letters, they don't know English words and they can't get "PinYin"(using letters to represent Chinese words) right. How do you make these people type urls in the browser? well, luckily, they all know numbers!

Are there really computer-literate Mandarin speakers in China who don't know pinyin? How do they input text? The only serious non-pinyin IMEs I'm aware of are the bopomofo ones for traditional characters in Taiwan.

I've regularly seen people use the handwriting IME in China. They were probably only post-PC computer literate, though :)

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by mirkules »

zht wrote: post #68
mirkules wrote: post #41

"Hotmail.com might as well be Cyrillic". This is not a good comparison because Cyrillic (at least, the slavic version) has almost a one-to-one relation to its latin counterparts. Russian Cyrillic is a little more complex, with letter modifiers (like "soft sign" and "hard sign") while in other flavors like Serbian Cyrillics, those characteristics were built into the language. Hotmail.com directly transliterated to Cyr…

So how many Americans would be able to type хотмаил.цом?

The point is that there is a direct transliteration available between cyrillic and latin, and it's also not so culture-dependent as 617.cn is. You could trivially automate that process too.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by bebc »

opendomain wrote: post #67

One of the more popular OpenDomains I have is 17m.com - auite a few people ask to use it for a group buying site. This article helped me see the importance of numbers, but when I looked it up on google translate but could not understand what '17m' was supposed to mean. Can anyone tell me?

"17" prounces yiqi, in Chinese it sounds like "一起", "together",

"m" prounce like “买" "buy",

so "17m" means "shopping together".

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by jimbobimbo »

I actually created an email alias for myself that looks like 5553423123@hotmail.com (555-... is my real phone number). My logic is: whenever I need to say my email over the phone, it's much less error prone to tell a string of numbers followed by the common domain name than spelling my real (custom) name and domain name.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by vorg »

jimbobimbo wrote: post #78

I actually created an email alias for myself that looks like 5553423123@hotmail.com (555-... is my real phone number). My logic is: whenever I need to say my email over the phone, it's much less error prone to tell a string of numbers followed by the common domain name than spelling my real (custom) name and domain name.

The phone has more to do in other ways with why digit urls in China than the article mentions. Most Chinese internet users who are visiting websites use their phone, and the 12-key digits pad is a lot easily to type into than the 30-key letters pad. The people who use netbars or home computers in China are playing online games, not visiting websites.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Post by vorg »

w1ntermute wrote: post #16
raverbashing wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yup (but sometimes up to 10x10) Of course, we would only need to memorize (10-x) items for the x table, except 1x anything, which is trivial so, know 2x2, 2x3, 2x4, 2x5, 2x6, 2x7, 2x8, 2x9 from 3, you can begin at 3x3, then 3x4, etc to be more advanced you only need to know up to 5, and do the rest with math... 9 7? easy peasy. (5+4) (5+3) = 5 5 + 5 3 + 4 5 + 4 3 -> 25 + 15 + 20 + 12 = 72 (there are other tricks you…

Well, that's an example of the time-memory tradeoff, right? It takes a lot longer to calculate 9·7 that way than it does if you've just memorized it. The real question is where to draw the line with respect to diminishing returns on memorizing products for larger and larger numbers.

> where to draw the line with respect to diminishing returns on memorizing products for larger and larger numbers

Everything from 2 * 2 to 9 * 9 where the second number is greater or equal to the first, i.e. 36 combinations. But it would also be good to memorize sums from 3 + 2 to 9 + 8 where the second number is less than the first, i.e. another 28 combinations. So we'd need to memorize 64 combinations from 2,2 to 9,9 where we'd know whether the result is addition or multiplication from the ordering of the numbers.

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