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Re: Chinese Number Websites

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1688 is not prounounced as "yoh-leeyoh-ba-ba". The 1 is pronounced as "ee". This actually makes it closer to Alibaba.

1 is pronounced "yoh"/"yao" in the context of phone numbers.

Which I find very frustrating as it sounds much more similar to liu (6) when pronounced in my crappy Chinese than yi does.

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One reason why Chinese have less difficulty remembering and using these numbers than the western fellows might be the difference in pronunciation. In Chinese, all single digit number has the same structure: a consonant plus a vowel. For example, 7, in Chinese is pronounced as [ch-i:], while in English is pronounced as [ˈsɛvən]. Also, every digit takes the same time to pronounce. For example, a string "123456" is [yi:…

Memorizing times tables used to be common in UK schools. They stopped because it doesn't appear to help children understand what multiplication actually is. It is probably going to come back because of our current minister of education's liking of memorization.

I find certain higher level concepts become much easier to grok when you've drilled/memorized the layer below. When I tutored calculus I found that most people rely struggled with the algebra, for example factoring and binomial expansion.

I think there is actually value in memorization. Even in the age of google.

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Yup (but sometimes up to 10x10) Of course, we would only need to memorize (10-x) items for the x table, except 1x anything, which is trivial so, know 2x2, 2x3, 2x4, 2x5, 2x6, 2x7, 2x8, 2x9 from 3, you can begin at 3x3, then 3x4, etc to be more advanced you only need to know up to 5, and do the rest with math... 9 7? easy peasy. (5+4) (5+3) = 5 5 + 5 3 + 4 5 + 4 3 -> 25 + 15 + 20 + 12 = 72 (there are other tricks you…

Well, that's an example of the time-memory tradeoff, right? It takes a lot longer to calculate 9·7 that way than it does if you've just memorized it. The real question is where to draw the line with respect to diminishing returns on memorizing products for larger and larger numbers.

all 9s..in multiplication take second muliplicand subtract one and that is the first digit of the answer..now take that first multiplicand and subtract that first digit of the answer and that is the second digit of the answer

memorizing without knowledge is for chumps!

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the point of using number in the domain is, a lot of Chinese people don't know letters, they don't know English words and they can't get "PinYin"(using letters to represent Chinese words) right. How do you make these people type urls in the browser? well, luckily, they all know numbers!

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1 is pronounced "yoh"/"yao" in the context of phone numbers.

Which I find very frustrating as it sounds much more similar to liu (6) when pronounced in my crappy Chinese than yi does.

chinese speakers like yao often because it sounds LESS like other numbers and is harder to miss.

yao1 (1) and liu4 (6) should be pretty distinct. but if the way you pronounce them is similar for whatever reason, you can always use yi and chinese listeners won't flinch. in fact, taiwanese americans will be confused by yao, but zero people will be confused by yi so it's arguably better to use that if you don't know the background of your counterparty.

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I'm surprised there's no mention here of punycode and IDNs. Is there just not enough widespread support for IDNs (the article mentions a need for plugins, but I thought most browsers already support IDNs), or are numbers really that much easier to type and remember than short, meaningful domains in native characters?

As I understand, punycode is translated by the browser to a standard ASCII string, so there's no need for special support in the DNS system or other infrastructure other than a simple translation in the browser's URL handling. Seems like a pretty straightforward/simple solution.

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which I find very frustrating as it sounds much more similar to liu (6) when pronounced in my crappy Chinese than yi does.

chinese speakers like yao often because it sounds LESS like other numbers and is harder to miss. yao1 (1) and liu4 (6) should be pretty distinct. but if the way you pronounce them is similar for whatever reason, you can always use yi and chinese listeners won't flinch. in fact, taiwanese americans will be confused by yao, but zero people will be confused by yi so it's arguably better to use that if you don't know the…

Perhaps I'm mishearing but it sounds to me more like they are pronouncing it "yo" (English) or "you" (Chinese) here in Beijing, which does sound more like 6. yi/qi are slightly similar but I never have the same issue. I've given up on trying to be correct and use yi most of the time.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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I'm surprised there's no mention here of punycode and IDNs. Is there just not enough widespread support for IDNs (the article mentions a need for plugins, but I thought most browsers already support IDNs), or are numbers really that much easier to type and remember than short, meaningful domains in native characters? As I understand, punycode is translated by the browser to a standard ASCII string, so there's no need…

> there's no need for special support in the DNS system or other infrastructure

Many TLDs disallow registrations containing punycode. Take a look at Wikipedia's (incomplete?) list of those that do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cctlds

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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post #38

I'm surprised there's no mention here of punycode and IDNs. Is there just not enough widespread support for IDNs (the article mentions a need for plugins, but I thought most browsers already support IDNs), or are numbers really that much easier to type and remember than short, meaningful domains in native characters? As I understand, punycode is translated by the browser to a standard ASCII string, so there's no need…

> there's no need for special support in the DNS system or other infrastructure Many TLDs disallow registrations containing punycode. Take a look at Wikipedia's (incomplete?) list of those that do: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cctlds

Interesting. From what I can tell though, the lack of support from those TLDs seems to be deliberate rather than due to any technical challenge (the domain you register ends up just looking like standard alphanumeric ASCII with some dashes). I may be wrong, but it probably requires more effort for a TLD to disallow IDNs as they'd have to implement a test to try and detect a punycode string within the ASCII.

The one technical challenge I suppose could be a concern would be optionally implementing some sort of test to detect domain registration attempts that use similar-looking characters to those in existing legitimate domains (e.g., registrations from scammers attempting phishing attacks with domains that look similar to other domains but use different extended characters).

Still, it feels like the lack of support from these TLDs is more a matter of policy than a technical challenge.

Re: Chinese Number Websites

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Memorizing the times tables (up to 12·12) is standard in American schools.

Yup (but sometimes up to 10x10) Of course, we would only need to memorize (10-x) items for the x table, except 1x anything, which is trivial so, know 2x2, 2x3, 2x4, 2x5, 2x6, 2x7, 2x8, 2x9 from 3, you can begin at 3x3, then 3x4, etc to be more advanced you only need to know up to 5, and do the rest with math... 9 7? easy peasy. (5+4) (5+3) = 5 5 + 5 3 + 4 5 + 4 3 -> 25 + 15 + 20 + 12 = 72 (there are other tricks you…

you wrote 9 * 7 then proceeded to calculate 9 * 8. I find the 9s easy to remember. simply take the other number, reduce it by 1, then add the complementary that together sum to 9. for 9 * 7, this is 63,
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