Wouldn't want to work with this guy. Fair points but come on, the poor recruiter is the wrong person to rant to.
It's an open letter; he's writing for us, not the recruiter. The recruiter merely serves as a prompt.
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Why I won’t work for Google
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#203Are you even serious? I read your post. Its a nice fairytale. Let me explain to you what my dad has tought me: We live under structured societies and under a specific set of rules we call LAW. (I most certainly disagree with that... but thats life and how it is) Yes under my fantasy world everyone would have the same possibilities and everyone would be happy yada yada. But under the Actual world we are living at ...…
Hi, OP here.
>> We live under structured societies and under a specific set of rules we call LAW.
We don't, you do. I packed my backpack and moved to the 3rd world at 22 and haven't ever been back because I need chaos. There is practically no law where I am, and that was one of many reasons for abandoning your structured societies.
>> Read Game of Thrones, you might understand that
Amazing insult. "Read a book, you idiot! A really stupid one!" Thanks for the smile. :-)
>> So I suggest you to get out of that imaginary world of yours and live life (I don't say change your ideas), but if you really want to blame someone - BLAME YOURSELF, for voting for the politicians in your country and for not being able to force them into taking your opinion and stop spying on you.
I live in the jungle, life is great here! You should try it. I never voted for any politician. I will never blame myself for something that I didn't create.
>> Noone forced you to use google search or gmail or whatever it is that google has included in their adSense algorythm
Agree, but on the other hand the general public is uninformed about these matters. I consider customer unawareness to be quite a problem in general. How can we fix it? I don't think asking those that you disagree with to change is a good approach.
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#205I mean, I get that he's trying to make a point here, and he clearly feels as strongly about this as he's written. But it sounds like an idealistic 13-year-old wrote the whole diatribe: "Boo, how dare you you big jerk spy. Spying on my mom and friends. You just want money. Like a big fat bully jerk." Seriously? All corporations are in pursuit of profit. I get the underlying issue he has, but only through the context o…
Profit is wonderful, even more so if earned through other means than tracking users' Internet activity unknowingly. Most users of the Internet don't know that Google sees them in most corners and much of the data collection remains.
Most users don't know how to defend themselves pro-actively. For example we have the disaster of people being connected with their political views in France[1]. The same (not really, hashed emails) vulnerability was then used by the Swedish Researchgruppen[2], an extremist leftwing organization, to publish who said what under the assertion of anonymity and as a direct followup leftwing journalists are now chasing outed "trolls" with baseball bats and cameras[3] for a TV show(!).
1: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/29/de-anonymisin...
2: http://torquemag.io/if-you-wouldnt-say-it-in-person-would-yo...
3: http://www.friatider.se/plansch-for-nya-tv3-serien-aschberg-...
Nedless to say these individuals are being directly targeted and harmed due to what they wrote on the Internet. It's not the fault of Disqus or Gravatar, it's the consequence of uninformed users.
Now imagine the hoards of victims that will emerge in the shadows of a Google database leak. For it will leak, of course it will, it's only a matter of time. If data can get out of North Korea it can get out of Google.
The dangers are not necessarily what Google is doing but what Google enables others to do.
Google closed down their service in China in protest againt what they said was anti democratic; remaining in the US is a hypocrisy, although perfectly aligned with other propaganda.
You are right, this is very much government driven. I agree - we should remove the government. Google can lead the revolution by closing down or switch jurisdiction in protest. Their voice is heard, ours is not.
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#206I won't work for google, apple, or microsoft due to the illegal no-poaching agreements they made. I don't want to work for amazon because they are retail - engineering is overhead to be trimmed. Through some weird twist of fate I find myself actually admiring Facebook, not the site, but the company.
Most of the large tech companies mostly turn me off, though there are little glimmers of things they do that are positive. Ironically, I've been breaking my radio silence on G+ over the past couple of days discussing some of this in relation to Gundotra's exodus and the "death of G+" discussions (short answer: yes and no).
I just got accused of having favorable views of Facebook (I don't -- I think what the company does is detestable and Zuck's morals are beyond reprehensible .... except that the company's stand in breaking the wage-suppression collusion cabal was a stunning case of doing the right thing).
But in terms of a company which could tempt me ... there aren't many.
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#208Perhaps a few people don't understand why OP takes this so seriously. This is the 'long game', the game for the betterment of human existence. (Cliche? yes, true enough? - probably) If you still feel these huge corporations have our best interests at heart, you are being a touch naive. They are not 'evil' ofc, but they're probably not the best idea for the future.
> This is the 'long game', the game for the betterment of human existence. There is no rational moral justification for this ethic. It's arbitrary. Don't devote your life to something morally arbitrary.
No, it's fine - as a person who's been surrounded by coding and logic since I was 6 years old (32 years ago). I'll choose the 'arbitrary' (from your perspective) choice. In my somewhat silly opinion -> All choices are arbitrary beyond 'i exist'.
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#209Perhaps a few people don't understand why OP takes this so seriously. This is the 'long game', the game for the betterment of human existence. (Cliche? yes, true enough? - probably) If you still feel these huge corporations have our best interests at heart, you are being a touch naive. They are not 'evil' ofc, but they're probably not the best idea for the future.
What is your best idea for the future? Do you think I or anyone else would find it palatable? Here's the thing: the profit motive is the impulse of corporations, not the sum total of all behavior. There are great people in corporations that do amazing shit within corporate structures. Coca-Cola have done incredible social art installations recently - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts_4vOUDImE Google is a huge corpora…
My best idea for the future? First one that comes to mind: Decentralisation of key services. Perhaps you don't find that palatable - others may.
While I truly like 'Page', he seems like an interesting chap; It's a stretch to portray him as today's 'Tesla'.
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#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is your best idea for the future? Do you think I or anyone else would find it palatable? Here's the thing: the profit motive is the impulse of corporations, not the sum total of all behavior. There are great people in corporations that do amazing shit within corporate structures. Coca-Cola have done incredible social art installations recently - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts_4vOUDImE Google is a huge corpora…
About Coca Cola, there is this very good talk by Melinda Gates about what they do in the developping world: http://www.ted.com/talks/melinda_french_gates_what_nonprofit... I think enabling enterprising people to do business may be the most positive thing Coca Cola does to the world. For Google, it seems making money is not the end game. What they do have many positive fallouts, but I'm not sure they move the 'real' w…
With all due respect, and thank you for the reply - I feel compelled to say this:
I used to think like that, however after many years of observing the complicit abuse corporations like these preside over - I can no longer hold that opinion.