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Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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I'm still waiting on proof from Snowden as to Apple/Google/Facebook's direct, illegal cooperation with the NSA. So far, all I've seen proof of is compliance with warrants(which admittedly are questionable, but Google has a direct financial gain in fighting them, not helping them), claims that they've fought them, and evidence that the NSA is both tapping the trunk as well as decrypting SSL'd communications.

This might give you a hint?

http://thehackernews.com/2014/05/ios-apple-iphone-data-prote...

Apple iOS 7 Updates Silently Remove Encryption for Email Attachments Thursday, May 01, 2014

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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I'm still waiting on proof from Snowden as to Apple/Google/Facebook's direct, illegal cooperation with the NSA. So far, all I've seen proof of is compliance with warrants(which admittedly are questionable, but Google has a direct financial gain in fighting them, not helping them), claims that they've fought them, and evidence that the NSA is both tapping the trunk as well as decrypting SSL'd communications.

> Google has a direct financial gain in fighting them

Wait, what? Google has a direct financial gain in fighting warrants? How do you figure?

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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The response doesn't seem convincing. By this standards he's not supposed to work for any corporation. I am a Google fanboy, I agree, and this might skew my opinion, but I am always open to debate.

He may make enough money freelancing that he doesn't need to work for any corporation. If you're good at what you do in the Software space, you can command very strong 6 figure salaries and only have to "work" part of the year to maintain a very comfortable lifestyle.

Who do you think freelancers work for, exactly?

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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The response doesn't seem convincing. By this standards he's not supposed to work for any corporation. I am a Google fanboy, I agree, and this might skew my opinion, but I am always open to debate.

People tend to forget we are Google's product. Not their customers. Advertisers are their customers. Plenty of tech companies don't sell souls for a living, therefore by working there you may not be required to also sacrifice yours for a paycheck. Flip side; there are those who believe ads aren't evil. Google builds a lot of interesting tech. It's probably a great place for engineers. But one look at their financial…

The products is ad space, not the users

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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The response doesn't seem convincing. By this standards he's not supposed to work for any corporation. I am a Google fanboy, I agree, and this might skew my opinion, but I am always open to debate.

Agreed. The response seems to conflate a bunch of different things and pretend it's all Google's fault. Snowden didn't blow the whistle on Google. Google can't control what the NSA is tapping or what court orders it gets. Maybe some people inside Google knew about inter-datacenter taps and didn't do anything about it, but once all of Google became aware, they started encrypting those links. Automatic indexing of emai…

Encryption is worthless if you have handed over the cipherkeys... but I guess this might fool some of the public at least.

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People tend to forget we are Google's product. Not their customers. Advertisers are their customers. Plenty of tech companies don't sell souls for a living, therefore by working there you may not be required to also sacrifice yours for a paycheck. Flip side; there are those who believe ads aren't evil. Google builds a lot of interesting tech. It's probably a great place for engineers. But one look at their financial…

The products is ad space, not the users

This pic comes to mind: http://www.lolwithme.org/wp-content/uploads/SocialMediaAndYo...

Re: Why I won’t work for Google

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The primary reason I won't work for Google is because I'm nowhere near smart enough. But I like to tell myself that the ethical shortcuts they've taken in pursuit of the almighty dollar are a good secondary reason. It's just that I don't need a secondary reason, so yay, consequence-free ethics!
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