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Re: Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

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Todd from @BuySellAds here. An ideal setup is one in which you utilize about a handful of different companies in the "Tier 2" position. Probably no more than a handful though, because after that it gets hard to manage and rather convoluted. Tier 1 is your directly sold ads (stuff you sell on your own directly to an advertiser or through a company like BuySellAds). Tier 2 is where the AdSense's of the world will live.…

Hm, this is what google shows when you type the name of your company (at least in safari) http://imgur.com/cfdFdvd There is no link to click on

It looks like they updated their site's description to reflect this, at least for DuckDuckGo: http://i.imgur.com/q7JbbBv.png

Re: Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

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Does anyone know of an ad network which pays out in Bitcoin but targetted towards general users? Coinurl, a-ads etc have an extremely low CTR because they are targetted to only Bitcoins users. Are there any plans for popular ad networks to payout in Bitcoin anytime soon? Another solution would be to use affiliate programmes such as Privateinternetaccess but once again, it would generate a low CTR I would presume.

We've had some folks request to be paid out in Bitcoin. We're open to doing this once we have a handful more (or so) ask for it... the tricky thing is that you then have to play the exchange rate game and withdraw money from BuySellAds when it's "favorable" for you to do so, since the advertisers aren't actually paying you in Bitcoin.

Re: Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

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Are there any ad networks that don't track the people looking at your site? That would be a valuable feature to me.

Through our marketplace we don't track any personal or sensitive info about users, or use it to figure out which ads to display. The most sensitive info we use to show ads would be geo-location (just country...). Advertisers are selecting the sites they want to advertise with based on the sites topical area vs. us coming up with some magical algorithm that matches an ad with a user.

Re: Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

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For ads, I don't think others pay quite as well, and even those that come close, usually require at least 100,000 uniques a month or something like that. But if it's not too irrelevant to that topic, I suggest combining whatever ad network you have with Amazon affiliate links. It helped me double my Adsense income for the same traffic. Ultimately, if you have some quality service or content that you can sell, members…

Indeed, there are many folks doing this very successfully. It's certainly not for everyone though, and does require a bit of work. We actually work with a bunch of folks who are doing this successfully over at a side-project of ours: http://syndicateads.net

Re: Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

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This doesn't look like an AdSense alternative. I think most people are looking for something that they can click a button, get a tag they can drop in their page, and earn a few dollars a month to offset the cost of hosting. Your site looks like something catering to large publishers. p.s. The landing page makes me confused on exactly what it is that your site does.

Yeah -- with Publir, we want to speak with every applicant first. But aside from that, it is more or less as simple as us generated a tag and sending that over.

@malchow I work at BSA and would love to chat with you guys. Good way to connect?

Re: Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

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Please don't tell me your advocating using affiliates in place of an ad network like AdSense. While on the surface it makes sense, and if you're lucky you'll find great affiliate programs, but there's an equally, some would say much dirtier side to affiliate programs. Success is the key to how your relationships go. Get too successful and chances are the company you have an affiliate agreement with will get tired of…

Well, I'd agree with the competition and replication. But that's the nature of business. Once you get good enough, others will use your work as an inspiration to outperform you or delete you out of the equation. Outside of that, I never reached the volume where I had to worry about the pay outs myself. But I have worked for companies that HAVE reached a VERY high volume (read: millions in affiliate sales) and they ha…

Thank you for the thoughtful response, I was fully expecting to have my comment skewered. Multiple, direct relationships with advertisers seems to be the key to long term success. Unfortunately for the "small guy" that doesn't come until you're beyond a certain traffic threshold leaving most to swim the troubled waters of AdSense and the like.

Re: Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah -- with Publir, we want to speak with every applicant first. But aside from that, it is more or less as simple as us generated a tag and sending that over.

@malchow I work at BSA and would love to chat with you guys. Good way to connect?

@livestyle Would love to talk. I'm at joe (at sign) publir.com. Let me know that you came through YC.

Re: Ask HN: AdSense alternatives?

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Honestly, none of that. Create your own "ad network". Basically, figure out the theme of your blog and what kind of people it attracts and then find affiliate programs for that. For example. Let's say your tutorials are for developers. What do developers need? * development tools * hosting * further courses/learning That will yield a pretty good list of affiliates that will convert well such as: * New Relic * Digital…

Please don't tell me your advocating using affiliates in place of an ad network like AdSense. While on the surface it makes sense, and if you're lucky you'll find great affiliate programs, but there's an equally, some would say much dirtier side to affiliate programs. Success is the key to how your relationships go. Get too successful and chances are the company you have an affiliate agreement with will get tired of…

It sounds like you don't have much experience with being an affiliate.

An affiliate is a "marketer on commission". Much like a salesman on commission.

>Get too successful and chances are the company you have an affiliate agreement with will get tired of paying out large sums to you (sound familiar?) They will either kill your relationship outright, or replicate your business model first and then kill your relationship once it's taken hold.

This is like saying if a salesman gets too successful at his company, they will fire him and make the sales themselves.

I've never heard of this happening, and it would be idiotic to do. A company gets essentially free money from their affiliates. They take no risk and get marketers that are much smarter than the ones that are on the job market working for them. This is a dream for pretty much every company. Even Google has affiliate programs.

>Also, other affiliates will do whatever they can to sabotage your efforts.

This is like saying your fellow salesmen will sabotage your efforts.

Nope. Remember, people aren't against you, they are for themselves. Affiliates WILL copy what you are doing if you're successful, but that happens in sales as well. And who cares? The best will still be the best because they will come up with better things.

But this is irrelevant, because if you do what the parent comment says, they can't copy you unless they take control of your site.

>and trust me it will if you have success

Why should I trust you? What experience do you have? It sounds like you're exaggerating something you read somewhere.

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