the only question: will tree style tabs work as before?
Shucks, I can't open a new tab with double-click on the empty area when tabs are vertical on the left ... maybe it was a function of Tab Mix Plus, but it doesn't work in any case.
Firefox 29
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Re: Firefox 29
#162Am I the only one who's not comfortable with the fact that the "whatsnew"[1] page can activate my browsers menu with Javascript? [1] https://www.mozilla.org/sv-SE/firefox/29.0/whatsnew/?oldvers...
I don't think any page can do that. Probably something built into the browser specifically for this page, identified by the domain or something.
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Re: Firefox 29
#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Separate address and search bars is old-fashioned. As a user, I don't want to have to make this distinction, and it's hard to imagine most users-on-street wouldn't find this confusing Given the new gTLDs, I'm thankful that Firefox still has a separate search box. Say I'm want to know about the "asdfg.cat" file that showed up on my system. If I put that into the URL bar and hit enter, it's going to say "Oh, I know w…
you can put it in quotes, and it should execute it as search vs address. the only argument for having a separate box i can think of is it you wanted a separate search engine associated to address bar, vs search box.
Chrome's solution is to have ctrl-K move focus to the address bar and fill in a ? at the start, but I'm not a huge fan. Same for having to type in quotes.
Mainly I don't like that it buries the fact that searching is a separate action and that you can pick what you're doing. And I think it's even more of a problem for inexperienced users, because to them the program is saying "Doing this action will randomly either search or go to some webpage, and you don't understand which will happen."
I also like keeping the search provider dropdown. It calls attention to the fact that you don't have to use google (and I don't). Google obviously has motives to prefer burying this in right click, but I think it fits Mozilla's agenda to leave it as a very visible setting.
Re: Firefox 29
#164I love Firefox -- for what it's done, what it represents, and what it helps guard against. I have fond memories of those early versions of Firefox (nee Firebird) that busted open the IE monopoly, and where hands-down the best browser going at the time. But it's never felt very good on the Mac to me, and it still doesn't. Here's a few early thoughts on this release, from the perspective of a happy Safari user, w/ a pr…
The main problem for me is how memory-hungry this browser is. How can a single tab opened on HN use 500MB?
I have no idea - mine uses 184MB. It's been much slimmer than Chrome for me for about a year. Even when I use lots of extensions, it's up to 340MB which is less than Chrome's 400MB.
Re: Firefox 29
#165Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Separate address and search bars is old-fashioned. As a user, I don't want to have to make this distinction, and it's hard to imagine most users-on-street wouldn't find this confusing Use the customizer. People complain when they change and complain when they don't > The address bar is square edged while the search bar is round edged, which is displeasingly visually. (I realize this is because there's a convention o…
>> Separate address and search bars is old-fashioned. As a user, I don't want to have to make this distinction, and it's hard to imagine most users-on-street wouldn't find this confusing > Use the customizer. Most users-on-street don't want to customise either. Edit: The moderation on this is baffling. Does anyone genuinely believe users want to customise to achieve reasonable defaults? HN should ban new users from m…
I want my bars separated for safety reasons
Re: Firefox 29
#166The incessant rearrangement of the UI is why I switched to Chrome. Each time they change the interface, it is unclear to me what the benefit is to the user. I was fine with Firefox when it looked like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mozilla_Firefox_3.5.png
Speaking of things that don't benefit the user, Chrome is proprietary software (dare I say spyware) that sends your keystrokes to Google. I think Firefox's frequent UI changes pale in comparison.
That argument doesn't really help the discussion.
Except for very sensitive data, usability is generally a bigger factor. And anyway, its not like you have a lot of options to choose from.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe it is that simple. If you can find them sending your keystrokes through any other means, then please download Fiddler and write a blog article with the results of your testing :-)
Fiddler is proprietary software. Just like I won't use Chrome, I won't use Fiddler either.
Are you from /g ? :)
Re: Firefox 29
#168Earlier quoted context omitted.
> - The whole resources view I'm not sure what the exact criticism is here. > - JavaScript profiling (heap, cpu, events) is this what you mean? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Profiler > - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. You can do this now (at least in nightly) > - JavaScript code completion Works in the JS console.
> > - The whole resources view > I'm not sure what the exact criticism is here. How can I see the whole data available to the browser in FF, similar to ChromeDev Tools https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/re... > - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. > You can do this now (at least in nightly) Cannot install nightly versions on customers. Good to know it is coming, though. > > - JavaScript cod…
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Re: Firefox 29
#169Earlier quoted context omitted.
> - The whole resources view I'm not sure what the exact criticism is here. > - JavaScript profiling (heap, cpu, events) is this what you mean? https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Profiler > - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. You can do this now (at least in nightly) > - JavaScript code completion Works in the JS console.
> > - The whole resources view > I'm not sure what the exact criticism is here. How can I see the whole data available to the browser in FF, similar to ChromeDev Tools https://developers.google.com/chrome-developer-tools/docs/re... > - DOM events monitoring and breakpoints. > You can do this now (at least in nightly) Cannot install nightly versions on customers. Good to know it is coming, though. > > - JavaScript cod…
>How can I see the whole data available to the browser in FF, similar to ChromeDev Tools
It's a lot different than what chrome does, but I believe they're integrating the resources with the network tab: (scroll to the bottom where the pie charts are.)
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Tools/Network_Monit...
> Cannot install nightly versions on customers
Do your customers develop web pages? If so why are they paying you to install a browser?
>But not yet on the Scratchpad
This appears to be true.
Re: Firefox 29
#170Overall I love the redesign, but I wish they would have compacted the top chrome a bit so it matches the height of other major browsers. Firefox has slightly taller chrome for no good reason, as seen in this picture: http://i.imgur.com/BlPRitn.png When I'm doing cross browser development I want my stuff to line up in all three browsers. At least Firefox no longer has the heaviest browser chrome. Safari wins that dubi…
I agree. Add some bookmarks bar items and it's even taller. Add the 'Title Bar' and it's even taller. And I dont see the short icons option available anymore.