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Will you drown?

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Re: Will you drown?

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Post by hellbreakslose »

CyberShadow wrote: post #68
elinchrome wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't aware that clicking different things in different orders affected the outcome. I have just been clicking solve every time it comes up and not reading the captions.

> I wasn't aware that clicking different things in different orders affected the outcome. I don't think it does. Here's the relevant part of the (dart2js'd but slightly cleaned-up) code: https://gist.github.com/CyberShadow/11329584 Edit: I made a full graph of the entire game: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7652770

yes that version 2 if u open up the original js ull see bazzillion ifs

Re: Will you drown?

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Post by CyberShadow »

Here's the full graph of the game logic (SVG) (spoilers):

https://cdn.rawgit.com/CyberShadow/11329584/raw/5d295c9557d3...

Code: https://gist.github.com/CyberShadow/11329584

Legend:

  - Round nodes are problems
  - Rectangular nodes are things you can have
  - Gray round nodes are problems that don't go away after solving them
  - Green lines are things solving problems gives you
  - Red lines are things needed to solve a problem
  - Dotted black lines are things you need to have for a problem to appear
  - Dotted red lines are problems that disappear when a problem is solved

Re: Will you drown?

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Post by floitsch »

jweir wrote: post #23

Written in Dart. Can anyone familiar with Dart to JS explain what is going on with: var B=new dart delete B.x var C=new dart delete C.x ...

In JavaScript every object is basically a hashtable. In order to get acceptable performance JS engines build type descriptions ("hidden classes" or sometimes just "maps") behind your back. That is, if you create a JS object (hashtable) with fields `x` and `y` it will create a hidden class with those two fields. This way it can access the fields efficiently. See http://mrale.ph for much more information on JS engines.

These hidden classes are built on the fly: say you add `x` to a instance to get an object with a configuration that was never seen before. In that case, the engine creates a new description with that new field and remembers the transition (so that further objects with similar configurations can reuse the same hidden class).

Keeping track of these hidden classes takes time and space. If you actually use the JS object as a hashtable, then there will be lots of unnecessary hidden classes, that will never be used again. However, there is a trick to tell the engine that an object is actually a hashtable (and shouldn't be optimized as if it was an instance of a class): when deleting a field from an object v8 (and probably all other engines) assume that the object is used as a hashtable and don't create these hidden classes anymore.

Dart2js uses this trick to avoid this cost some important big hashtables (`B`, `C`, ...).

Re: Will you drown?

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Post by jiaweihli »

hmgibson23 wrote: post #61

What if you're Plato or Aristotle? Presumably then you never get forgotten.

Given that 'You are forgotten.' takes a long time to 'solve,' it could be a reflection that even the greatest will eventually be forgotten. (Say, if the human race manages to survive millions of years, and colonizes different planets light-years away.)

Re: Will you drown?

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Post by pygy_ »

pygy_ wrote: post #70
moskie wrote: post #26

What a simple and profound game.... I hope Notch is feeling ok.

> I hope Notch is feeling ok. That was my first thought, and I suspect that's not the case at the moment :-\

I'm out of the edit window, but he's actually fine :-)

https://twitter.com/mxech/status/460058856216072192

Re: Will you drown?

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Post by egeozcan »

jffry wrote: post #4

Play automatically: setInterval(function(){ $("a").click() }, 100) (Edit: Yes, this leads you through a very fast, very bad life. Play manually and have a better life.)

The first thing I did after figuring out how the game works was typing this:

setInterval(function({[].slice.call(document.querySelectorAll("a")).forEach(function(a){a.click()})},100)

It feels great to know there are some more people who think of automating first, a better life second =)

Re: Will you drown?

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Post by sp332 »

catshirt wrote: post #78
sp332 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It has potential, but I had a hard time relating to my character. I need a lover as a teenager? And 2 broken hearts to stop being a teenager? And the only way to get experience is by losing friends.

ages may differ but our stories are all so similar maybe the age isn't what matters. "And 2 broken hearts to stop being a teenager? And the only way to get experience is by losing friends." i'm not sure i directly relate to this either, but it really doesn't sound too crazy or unfamiliar.

I guess it means that moving on usually requires leaving friends behind, and not that experience requires some kind of drama or even explicit un-friending. But the presentation makes it seem like losing friends causes gaining experience instead of the other way around.

Re: Will you drown?

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Post by brazzy »

xtc wrote: post #63

Boiling every experience in life to make it nearly meaningless and lack any glimpse of context will eventually become depressing and appear highly relatable to others. Someone get this man some help.

One person's lack of context is another's space for imagination...
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