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How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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>It turned out that Arthur was bipolar and had two significant drug problems.

Then it's very likely that his extremely productive coding marathons were during manic episodes and/or while abusing stimulants. Certainly not something you would want to bank on either way.

My dad was bipolar and also one of the hardest-working men I knew (even during waves of depression). He actually had a couple (prescription) drug problems too. But when he started up a manic episode, it was still abundantly obvious. Basically what's described in the article- seemingly endless pools of energy and stamina despite little to no sleep, always working on or planning some kind of project (for my dad, it was usually some kind of restoration), and never relaxing.

I think he was probably an exception to the rule, because when he was depressed and taking heavy doses of benzodiazepines, he still managed to get his fair share done. I'm not a psychiatrist and I don't know Arthur, but I'd guess both his absences and drug use stemmed from his depression.

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post #21

The first example read like the employee was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, so we fired him . Ouch. Try to be supportive and help at least once. Then reconsider. Else, the jerk is on you.

He was also a drug addict, from the book, and it was in the context of nonperformance, at a company which was dying.

From his response, I think at a less-critical ("peacetime") company stage, they might have tried to help him within the company.

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I love remote companies because they can afford to give their employees the freedom to have drug habits or kids who demand a lot of attention or whatever else. There's no pressure to "keep up appearances" so as long as his communication on git and hipchat is professional and his code quality is high.

In real offices there is too much wasteful drama/noise around 'perceived slackness' that often does not correlate with the actual facts. In a remote environment everyone is being judged on the same time-scale by the same exact criteria which has nothing to do with their age, sex, lifestyle choices, sleep habits, etc.

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Jesus Christ, is that top picture of a hellish working environment typical? I have a panic attack just looking at it. Does anyone happen to know what company that is so I know to avoid them like the plague? EDIT: OK, figured it out, it is Pivotal[0]. I have absolutely no idea what they actually _do_ based on their website, exactly as I would expect for the kind of company that would have that sort of office. [0]: htt…

The home page is incredibly bland. "Are you data-driven?" They might as well be advertising shampoo or something.

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post #39

Ben's perspective is strongly influenced by his experiences at Netscape and Loudcloud and looking for and funding rocket ships. Are these cultural artifacts - working w/ jerks, hiring young, working 72 hours in a row - the inevitable outcome of venture funded tech? Are there strong counter examples?

If you look at a lot of other highly creative disciplines (art, music, etc), the non linear performance (by person, task, and time) is also common. Temperament, drugs, etc might be factors.

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Jesus Christ, is that top picture of a hellish working environment typical? I have a panic attack just looking at it. Does anyone happen to know what company that is so I know to avoid them like the plague? EDIT: OK, figured it out, it is Pivotal[0]. I have absolutely no idea what they actually _do_ based on their website, exactly as I would expect for the kind of company that would have that sort of office. [0]: htt…

Hey, if most people were able to study/learn in school like that, why can't they work like that? Just saying. I've pretty much accepted my fate. I will sit on the floor or in circles or in that format, just pay me and pay me well.

Other than grade school, I rarely ever did serious work in school while sitting shoulder to shoulder with people as in this image. The only time I can think of being in this sort of setup in college were labs, and I only remember those as being chaotic, loud, hectic, and annoying.

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post #18

Didn't Ben Horowitz basically publish this already as Old People? http://www.bhorowitz.com/old_people

Wow, that one is even worse, pure ageism. He might as well write about "when to hire female people" etc. Somewhat sad that "culture" is mostly a meaningless buzzword these days, used mainly to exclude people you don't like.

Although he makes some good points -- it can be tricky to hire people with more experience than you, especially in the areas where you're weakest -- the title is pretty awful.

"When to hire 'old people'?" "Should you take asshat advice?" Edit: Depersonalized the target of "asshat" because I'm not in a position to judge the person, just this particular post.

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Holy shit. I would never work with/for this writer. In example one, the writer refuses to take responsibility for the fact that they had unrealistic expectations and encouraged unhealthy behavior. If a guy works for 72 hours straight, you don't reward him for that , you tell him to take 3 days off and get some sleep, because nobody can be productive at a pace like that. At the very least it's incredibly unhealthy for…

>Holy shit. I would never work with/for this writer. The writer is Ben Horowitz: >Ben Horowitz is cofounder and partner of Andreessen Horowitz. Therefore there is a good chance that if you work at a successful Valley startup you are indirectly working for this guy and making him even more disgustingly wealthy from your labour.

I don't really care who is becoming wealthy from what. But I will certainly take a more critical look at any company I think of joining that has this guy as a backer.

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Jesus Christ, is that top picture of a hellish working environment typical? I have a panic attack just looking at it. Does anyone happen to know what company that is so I know to avoid them like the plague? EDIT: OK, figured it out, it is Pivotal[0]. I have absolutely no idea what they actually _do_ based on their website, exactly as I would expect for the kind of company that would have that sort of office. [0]: htt…

Things are not always as they seem. The goals of this (Pivotal Labs') office layout and the company values are actually contrary to what you might assume.

In fact, they have evolved to help avoid and weed out the type of employees which the original article warned of - i.e. "The Flake", "The Heretic", "The Jerk"...

I've worked at Pivotal a long time [1], and here's the reality behind what you see in that picture (http://wrd.cm/1rseFPe):

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Close Quarters

Most of the people in that photo are programmers who are pair programming, or are designers, produce managers, or testers working closely with programmers. The close quarters are intentional, and intended to facilitate quick and easy communication between all of those team members, and minimize all feedback loops.

This means that the any one of those people can immediately ask another about any question or problem they might be having. A tester can ask a programmer about an edge case; the programmers can ask a product manager to clarify some requirements; a programmer could ask a designer to clarify exactly how a UI is intended to behave; etc...

The other thing you don't see is the huge open space in the rest of the office. It's an entire floor, with large areas for sitting, eating (catered) breakfast, playing ping pong or guitar, or having a morning standup meeting attended by several dozens of people.

These folks can get up at any time, and take a stroll, get one of the many free snacks or beverage, or step into a Tardus-style phone booth or privacy room for a private phone call.

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Privacy, "Anything you do on your screen 2 other people are going to inevitably see it"

Exactly. At least for the pair programmers in that picture, what they do on your screen is not private. Because it shouldn't need to be.

Because of pair programming and frequent pair rotation, there is collective code ownership. Two people always work on the same workstation. When a pair is working, they are working - not reading Twitter, not playing with their iTunes playlist, not reading email. They are programming, and always open to questions and interruptions from anyone else on the team.

There are no assigned workstations. Pairs switch up all the time, and work on new stories. The iMacs there all have a secondary monitor, keyboard, and mouse attached for pairing. At any time, the machine can be automatically re-imaged as needed.

Any personal email or other personal activities can be done on separate dedicated email machines at the end of the aisle, or on a personal laptop or phone, but NOT when you are pairing.

Of course, due to the nature of their jobs, designers and product managers, and sometimes testers, do not pair, and thus have dedicated workstations or laptops. But there's still no need for what they have on their screen to be "private", other than email or documents, and nobody is going to bend over and start reading someone else's email over their shoulder. It's a non-issue.

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Company Laptops

Most of the people with laptops are either designers, product managers, or testers. Again, because of the nature of their work, they tend to need dedicated machines, unlike programmers who are always pairing. They also tend to need to be more mobile. E.g., product managers taking their laptops to an iteration planning meeting to discuss a backlog. Also, company laptops are assigned for production support, but usually only to be used in during unexpected production incidents or after-hours deploys (which annoyingly don't always observe regular working hours).

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Expectation of Working from Home or while Traveling

There is no expectation to work from home at Pivotal Labs. In fact, a 40-hour work week is strongly encouraged and enforced for sustainability (http://pivotallabs.com/crunch-time/). Standup starts at 9:05 (after catered breakfast), and quitting time is 6 PM, with a regular lunch and 15-minute game of ping-pong. No expectation is ever made of working from home, or putting in overtime. Plus, everybody keeping the same hours supports the other values mentioned above - frequent pair rotation, close communication and tight feedback loops. And yes, laptops can be used while traveling, for employees which need them (e.g. product managers or production support programmers/ops).

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So, again, all of these things work together to avoid having employees like TFA mentioned - "The Flake", "The Heretic", "The Jerk". Those sorts of people just don't work out. In fact, because the Pivotal Labs hiring process involves pair programming, including interviewees live pairing with a Pivot on a real project, the most egregious of these personality types never even make past the initial interview stage.

Of course, not everything always works out exactly like I've described. But they do most of the time. The important thing is that they are embedded in the company values and culture, and fully supported from the executive levels and founders - not just paid lip-service.

On a personal note, I have worked at several different types of companies, including ones where I had a dedicated office (with a door) and personal workstation, ones where I had a dedicated cubicle, and also working from home as a full-time remote employee. I will say that Pivotal's arrangement is, in my opinion, by far the best. The energy and enthusiasm that flows through the air is powerful, with so many bright and talented people working hard in the same space, sharing, collaborating, and helping each other out. And playing ping pong.

[1] I've worked at Pivotal Labs (the consultancy) since '96, prior to their acquisition by EMC and subsequent incorporation into the newly-formed Pivotal company.

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