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How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Why do we need senior people at all? The short answer is time. Hiring someone who has already done what you are trying to do can radically speed up time to success. But won’t they just ruin the culture? This question must be taken seriously. However, bringing in the right kind of experience at the right time can mean the difference between bankruptcy and glory. Wow, that's offensive.

Seriously. Even as a young person, that stung.

Yup, should sting for anyone really. Everyone gets older.

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Jesus Christ, is that top picture of a hellish working environment typical? I have a panic attack just looking at it. Does anyone happen to know what company that is so I know to avoid them like the plague? EDIT: OK, figured it out, it is Pivotal[0]. I have absolutely no idea what they actually _do_ based on their website, exactly as I would expect for the kind of company that would have that sort of office. [0]: htt…

It is somewhat amusing to me that they re-used an image taken at Pivotal Labs for the header of the article, I'm in the image.

What you are looking at is the pair programming setup. Two monitors, two keyboards, one computer. It is a bit weird at first, but once you get used to it, you really start to see the advantages of it. Sure, it isn't perfect, but their model is proven and works well.

Pivotal is also one of the few places I've worked where there was very few jerks and a majority of very smart people. Pair programming really weeds out weak links pretty quickly as nobody will want to pair with you if you're a jerk.

I made some good friends and I loved my time there. I was a contractor just doing a ~6 month stint to learn about pair programming and help capitalize my startup. =)

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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it looks familiar to me- I think it's Pivotal. edit: you edited while I was writing my reply. :) edit 2: if you didn't see this, is related- http://www.wired.com/2013/11/pivotal-one/

Thanks for the link. Yup, that is anathema to me, you couldn't pay me enough to ever consider working there. >As each pair works, neither engineer is permitted to send email or text chat — much less surf the web >The engineers don’t go onto their laptops unless it’s absolutely necessary. They don’t use their phone unless it’s absolutely necessary.” Anyway I will try to avoid buying whatever their product is, I don't…

As someone who gets distracted easily, I would actually love that.

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Jesus Christ, is that top picture of a hellish working environment typical? I have a panic attack just looking at it. Does anyone happen to know what company that is so I know to avoid them like the plague? EDIT: OK, figured it out, it is Pivotal[0]. I have absolutely no idea what they actually _do_ based on their website, exactly as I would expect for the kind of company that would have that sort of office. [0]: htt…

> is that top picture of a hellish working environment typical? I have a panic attack just looking at it.

It's all about the "culture" man, you need to get with the times.

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Holy shit. I would never work with/for this writer. In example one, the writer refuses to take responsibility for the fact that they had unrealistic expectations and encouraged unhealthy behavior. If a guy works for 72 hours straight, you don't reward him for that , you tell him to take 3 days off and get some sleep, because nobody can be productive at a pace like that. At the very least it's incredibly unhealthy for…

>Holy shit. I would never work with/for this writer.

The writer is Ben Horowitz:

>Ben Horowitz is cofounder and partner of Andreessen Horowitz.

Therefore there is a good chance that if you work at a successful Valley startup you are indirectly working for this guy and making him even more disgustingly wealthy from your labour.

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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The first example read like the employee was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, so we fired him . Ouch. Try to be supportive and help at least once. Then reconsider. Else, the jerk is on you.

Wow, I don't know what's crazier, that they promoted him or that they fired him. I can't believe Ben Horowitz. It sounds like he's in the slave business.

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Hey, if most people were able to study/learn in school like that, why can't they work like that? Just saying. I've pretty much accepted my fate. I will sit on the floor or in circles or in that format, just pay me and pay me well.

Because I demand more respect than that from my employer. It is a layout designed to cram the max number of people into the cheapest space. These people are shoulder to shoulder. You have zero privacy and anything you do on your screen 2 other people are going to inevitably see it. In that way it is also your employer enforcing their will on you- you will feel embarrassed to take a perfectly normal break to look at F…

> Start-up culture is increasingly bullshit and toxic

Does that apply mainly to SV, or have you had/seen similar experiences elsewhere?

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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it looks familiar to me- I think it's Pivotal. edit: you edited while I was writing my reply. :) edit 2: if you didn't see this, is related- http://www.wired.com/2013/11/pivotal-one/

Thanks for the link. Yup, that is anathema to me, you couldn't pay me enough to ever consider working there. >As each pair works, neither engineer is permitted to send email or text chat — much less surf the web >The engineers don’t go onto their laptops unless it’s absolutely necessary. They don’t use their phone unless it’s absolutely necessary.” Anyway I will try to avoid buying whatever their product is, I don't…

I think this would actually be awesome for 20-60 minute sprints. The only change I'd make is to put the pairs into private offices, with comfortable room for 3 and cram for 6, ideally with glass walls or something. And then give everyone a private personal office to use for half of the day as well. When engineers cost $200-300k/yr and real estate is 18/yr/SF, I don't see a problem with burning 500 square feet per engineer.

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Ben's perspective is strongly influenced by his experiences at Netscape and Loudcloud and looking for and funding rocket ships. Are these cultural artifacts - working w/ jerks, hiring young, working 72 hours in a row - the inevitable outcome of venture funded tech? Are there strong counter examples?

Re: How to Deal With Brilliant Jerks You Work With

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Wow, that one is even worse, pure ageism. He might as well write about "when to hire female people" etc. Somewhat sad that "culture" is mostly a meaningless buzzword these days, used mainly to exclude people you don't like.

And yet people will listen to this guy because he is a VC and will create cargo cult leadership to hang off his every word.

Ben being a VC is a bad reason to give him credibility. His experience at loud cloud and ops ware (and then HP), and generally being smart, is why I find him interesting.

If you read the book, there were only a few fairly badly communicated or stupid parts, and they made a lot more sense in context (it is partially biographical, so he includes mistakes and why they were mistakes).

The "old people" is one of those which made more sense in context. It was a bad idea to let it be pulled out like this, imo.

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