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Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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1000$ around 1940 are about 17000$ today. I don't know what the point of converting them to today's British pounds is. https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1000%20usd%201940

This is from wired.co.uk, it's expected that readers know pounds better than dollars.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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In today's atheistic science culture I'm not even sure who is offended by this.

No, they worship the same god after all, "Nothingness".

Much like how many of us atheists play the same game of non-golf pretty much most of our waking and sleeping hours. :D

Though, there is a good joke there.

Mr. Sartre goes to a a cafe and requests a coffee with no cream. The waiter comes back after a moment and asks Mr. Sartre if, since they have no creamer, he would prefer to have his coffee without milk.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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Prejudice takes many forms, and those who forget their own personal responsibility for the destructive effects of judgement, incur the final injustice. The people we choose to 'hate' and 'despise' - for religious, political, industrial, or .. other .. reasons - end up being a part of the universe that we isolate ourselves from. The universe is bigger than you. Get over it. Make friends. Prejudice against the lives of…

Isolation from the things you hate seems likely to be a highly desirable outcome for people who feel that way.

.. and so goes the big wheel. Wouldn't you rather just not hate, though?

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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Prejudice takes many forms, and those who forget their own personal responsibility for the destructive effects of judgement, incur the final injustice. The people we choose to 'hate' and 'despise' - for religious, political, industrial, or .. other .. reasons - end up being a part of the universe that we isolate ourselves from. The universe is bigger than you. Get over it. Make friends. Prejudice against the lives of…

Bravo. There's also something to be said for persuasion through friendship and tolerance. E pluribus unum and all that. There are many different textures in a good melting pot.

I imagine a world where the vast, arbitrary .. human .. distance between magic and science are embraced by the world at large, and not shunned by the ruling technocratic order. What if, in fact, we could discuss the vast magick order here on Earth so comfortably well that one day, we do it on the Moon?

I wonder if we will go to Mars with purely scientific purposes in mind? I hope not.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree, and I'd even upgrade your "a bit clickbaity" to "very clickbaity". I happen to work at JPL, and elements of the Parsons story are generally known to people at the lab. I just don't think they're that interesting. Certainly, complaining that the oddball philosophy of one of the four founders is not featured in the lab tour is ridiculous. People come on the lab tour to see robots and rockets, not to talk about…

You and others have a good point about the title. We've edited it to take out the linkbait. Great comment, too!

As context for future readers, the submitted HN title was the same as the actual title of the article: "Occultist Father of Rocketry 'Written Out' of NASA'S History". Definitely link-bait, although unedited primary-source link-bait.

(dang: Leaving notes when changing titles is great, thanks!)

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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There are a fair number of tech people I've encountered (mainly in the device driver and security subcommunities) who are part of OTO, Temple of Set, or other "left hand path" type occult groups or practices; a lot more who are just "pagan". Not too far off from any mainstream religions in concentration, which is way different from the general population.

Interesting- I only know a handful of hardware people, and that includes a pagan microchip designer. Is there a reason for those beliefs being more prevalent in those communities?

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Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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There are a fair number of tech people I've encountered (mainly in the device driver and security subcommunities) who are part of OTO, Temple of Set, or other "left hand path" type occult groups or practices; a lot more who are just "pagan". Not too far off from any mainstream religions in concentration, which is way different from the general population.

Interesting- I only know a handful of hardware people, and that includes a pagan microchip designer. Is there a reason for those beliefs being more prevalent in those communities?

I'd chalk it up to the geek tinkering mindset. Geeks like to tinker, and Neo-Paganism and other non-mainstream religions provide a nice framework for experimenting with your own set of religious beliefs.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't speak to hardware, but there's certainly a certain similarity between occultism/esotericism and creating software - you have to be comfortable thinking about and working with things that, in a sense, don't exist. That doesn't mean they're not useful in their own way. It means that they don't have objective reality in the same way that a lake or a car or a building does.

in the software world powerful spell books are definitely real : http://www.lisperati.com/casting.html

As a child, I would go to the library and bring home stacks of books on UFOs, magic, cryptozoology, and the like. I am always amused by the fact that so many of my colleagues in software development were just like me and claim to have had similar interests. Maybe a coincidence but I think there is definitely an underlying interest in arcane subjects.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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There are two different forms of scientific history. The history of science as used for future scientific development lives in academic papers, journals, conferences, and similar; those are preserved as a record of historical development progress. That history is, when functioning correctly, blind to outside issues like this. On the other hand, there's scientific history as captured by news and popular culture, which…

By removing vibrant people and bizarre stories from scientific history you are doing science a disservice by deterring the smartest, creative people, many of whole are quirky, from the sterile, close-minded politicized world of science.

The less white-washing the better. We need to know our heros were crazy just like us.

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