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Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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post #8

In today's atheistic science culture I'm not even sure who is offended by this.

In today's modern first world prejudices? All of them are offended, since he has dares NOT believed in a unprovable negative.

It should always be okay to have faith in something and believe that other people are wrong. Not to belittle the one you see as wrong BUT sadly this is always lost in us all.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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There are two different forms of scientific history. The history of science as used for future scientific development lives in academic papers, journals, conferences, and similar; those are preserved as a record of historical development progress. That history is, when functioning correctly, blind to outside issues like this.

On the other hand, there's scientific history as captured by news and popular culture, which focuses on personalities, personal stories, struggles, and development. In that version of history, it shouldn't be at all surprising that people prefer to hide the crazy people and focus on those that can successfully serve as visible PR figures. That doesn't denigrate their contributions, but it avoids making them visible figureheads when they're not appropriate for a figurehead role.

You can complain about outside politics affecting science, but far too often, people like this will bring their politics into their science, such as in interviews and discussions; sweeping people under the rug doesn't just happen because of embarassment about past actions, but for fear of future embarassment. And that future embarassment can then cause problems when trying to get popular support and funding, which makes it entirely rational to focus on the scientists who can safely talk to other people.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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post #6

I wonder why Wired magazine has been wading into "deep politics" more and more recently. I mean the German and Occult underpinnings of NASA is a significant can of worms for a publication with a mainstream readership to be opening.

In fairness, Parsons's occult history isn't particularly new, shocking, or politically dangerous ground in 2014. It's not mainstream knowledge, by any means. And I'm sure a lot of folks are reading about it in Wired for the first time. But Parsons's backstory has been covered pretty extensively -- most recently as a significant side chapter (or two) in "Going Clear," the NYT-bestselling book about L Ron Hubbard and S…

At Caltech, undergrads usually hand down the various Parsons stories, and tend to drive by and gawk at the residence.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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The article evokes some doubts - particularly statement "JPL... first government-sponsored rocket lab in history". According to article, that happened in "late 1930-s", but already in 1933 in USSR rocket groups GIRD and GDL were combined into a research institute.

A highly recommended "Ignition!" (http://www.sciencemadness.org/library/books/ignition.pdf) - a history of liquid propellant research by John Clark briefly describes genesis of JPL, mentioning Malina and Theodor von Karman. According to that, GALCIT was "Malina's group" (if I remember correctly).

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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post #6

I wonder why Wired magazine has been wading into "deep politics" more and more recently. I mean the German and Occult underpinnings of NASA is a significant can of worms for a publication with a mainstream readership to be opening.

I worked for NASA for several years and found everyone I met to be rather ordinary. There are no worms in that can.

Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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post #6

I wonder why Wired magazine has been wading into "deep politics" more and more recently. I mean the German and Occult underpinnings of NASA is a significant can of worms for a publication with a mainstream readership to be opening.

In fairness, Parsons's occult history isn't particularly new, shocking, or politically dangerous ground in 2014. It's not mainstream knowledge, by any means. And I'm sure a lot of folks are reading about it in Wired for the first time. But Parsons's backstory has been covered pretty extensively -- most recently as a significant side chapter (or two) in "Going Clear," the NYT-bestselling book about L Ron Hubbard and S…

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Re: Jack Parsons: Occultist involved in early rocketry

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post #3

Prejudice takes many forms, and those who forget their own personal responsibility for the destructive effects of judgement, incur the final injustice. The people we choose to 'hate' and 'despise' - for religious, political, industrial, or .. other .. reasons - end up being a part of the universe that we isolate ourselves from. The universe is bigger than you. Get over it. Make friends. Prejudice against the lives of…

Isolation from the things you hate seems likely to be a highly desirable outcome for people who feel that way.
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