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Vkontakte Founder Flees Russia

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Re: Vkontakte Founder Flees Russia

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This is factually incorrect. Snowden stranded in Russia. He had a ticket for Cuba where intended to transfer to Bolivia(?). Either way: not Russia.

Yeah, but I don't think his current visa was given out "of the goodness of their hearts"

Of course not. But there are numerous reasons other than that. Not the least of which would be simply to piss off the US.

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I also would like to know that. it is the only real end-to-end encrypted whatsapp alternative. I hope it stays that way.

you shouldnt trust closed source software also there are numerous complaints about their security model. See http://www.cryptofails.com/post/70546720222/telegrams-crypta... for example. Why not use an open source, cross device alternative? https://www.surespot.me/

Telegram clients (ios,andriod,windows,osx,linux) are open source. Server is closed but client code and protocol provides user with verified secrecy.

Most criticism seems emotion based but no smoking guns. See comments on http://unhandledexpression.com/2013/12/17/telegram-stand-bac... also see response to the post you linked to http://telegramteam.tumblr.com/post/70588130319/telegrams-cr...

anyway i dont work for them and Surespot also looks nice. though nodejs+coffeescript at the server worries me a bit.

Re: Vkontakte Founder Flees Russia

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Facebook will be more than happy to get a piece of VK's users.

Who tried VK, will never go back to Facebook. VK is like the wild west of the web: you find everything for free, from music, to software, porn, books, etc. Facebook is a prudish and mildly authoritarian walled garden. VK smells like freedom. ;)

You can find all these things on Piratebay. Tying all these illegal activities to your social network is highly idiotic.

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In a dictatorship, if the ones holding power want to take control of an internet company holding data about the personal lives of hundreds of millions of people, they do so by ousting the CEO and taking control the hard way. In a democracy with a free market, if the ones holding power want to take control of an internet company which holds data about the personal lives of hundreds of millions of people, they do so by…

> they do so by strategically adding members to the company's board who are part of the oligarchy in place Seriously? I'd like you to back that up. Because honestly, that's just baseless conspiracy-mongering. I understand people don't like Rice joining Dropbox (which is what I presume you're referring to) due to her political history and leadership role in the Iraq war -- which is totally understandable, since she's…

I think the pushback about Rices' appointment is more due to the fact that she's a war criminal with the blood of innocents on her hands.

What company wants that in their board?

Re: Vkontakte Founder Flees Russia

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you shouldnt trust closed source software also there are numerous complaints about their security model. See http://www.cryptofails.com/post/70546720222/telegrams-crypta... for example. Why not use an open source, cross device alternative? https://www.surespot.me/

Telegram clients (ios,andriod,windows,osx,linux) are open source. Server is closed but client code and protocol provides user with verified secrecy. Most criticism seems emotion based but no smoking guns. See comments on http://unhandledexpression.com/2013/12/17/telegram-stand-bac... also see response to the post you linked to http://telegramteam.tumblr.com/post/70588130319/telegrams-cr... anyway i dont work for them…

I think I mixed up Telegram and Threema so my bad and thanks for the correction/reply.

Re: Vkontakte Founder Flees Russia

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So much for intellectual debate [1], then, I suppose. Congratulations, if you like, on having genuinely astounded me; perhaps it's merely foolish naïveté on my part, but I'd never have expected anyone to conclude that I am a traitor to my country, based merely on the facts that I know a little bit about modern history and that my English is better than yours. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7630065

Have you really never previously encountered suspicions aimed at those with book larnin' and fancy talk?

Sure I have, even on HN. But, here at least, they're much more the exception than the rule, and I've never before encountered such an egregious example of the type. Even growing up in rural Mississippi, no one ever accused me of betraying my country because I talked fancy.

Re: Vkontakte Founder Flees Russia

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Given that the name of this site is "Hacker News" and not "Hacker Threads", one would expect high quality news items to bubble to the top of the main list, and not necessarily high-quality discussions . You might want to reconsider the premise of flagging topics in order to facilitate ease of topic moderation. There's more to this site than merely the user discussion. Are there any metrics that distinguish the ratio…

That's a very good point. It's not obvious how to balance this. What would be better? The status quo isn't ok, because it violates HN's values of substance and civility. Not having any threads at all is not an option. Selectively shutting down threads when they go off the rails seems draconian. Banning people for making poor contributions to poor threads is wrong; the same people often make good contributions elsewhe…

I don't think there are really any shortcuts. This sort of problem is likely to always require nuanced and direct human intervention.

Sometimes the acrimony and the controversy is an integral part of a news story. Without the gossip from the peanut gallery, it might not be news.

Relevant social topics often smell terrible. I think it just comes with the territory...

Re: Vkontakte Founder Flees Russia

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Have you really never previously encountered suspicions aimed at those with book larnin' and fancy talk?

Sure I have, even on HN. But, here at least, they're much more the exception than the rule, and I've never before encountered such an egregious example of the type. Even growing up in rural Mississippi, no one ever accused me of betraying my country because I talked fancy.

Yeah. Here on HN, what you see is mostly just valid skepticism of credentialism that sometimes bleeds into a backlash against all those with credentials.

Re: Vkontakte Founder Flees Russia

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Sure I have, even on HN. But, here at least, they're much more the exception than the rule, and I've never before encountered such an egregious example of the type. Even growing up in rural Mississippi, no one ever accused me of betraying my country because I talked fancy.

Yeah. Here on HN, what you see is mostly just valid skepticism of credentialism that sometimes bleeds into a backlash against all those with credentials.

True, though I don't fall foul of that myself, because I don't have any credentials for anyone to be skeptical about. I do have a tendency to indulge in rhetoric, though, and I've been pleasantly surprised on many occasions by how willing my fellow HN commenters seem to be to tolerate that deviation.
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