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Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by abalone »

apercu wrote: post #356
abalone wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't forget this link, the anonymous GitHub employee response to Horvath's claims: "Facts Conveniently Withheld". https://medium.com/p/d96f431f4e8e

I sort of feel that if this anonymous posting was 100% accurate, then the cofounder wouldn't have resigned. Better if the people involved came out and told the truth.

Not necessarily. Even if Horvath was the original bully, inappropriate retaliation can still get you fired.

Also, it may have come out in the investigation that the founder gave his non-employee wife way too much inappropriate latitude inside the company. She's conceded that she went too far with her activism around her startup. But especially if she crossed boundaries and had inappropriate access to private company information (as Horvath said she claimed), the founder could take the fall for enabling that.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by cpncrunch »

abalone wrote: post #275

This anonymous post from an alleged GitHub employee adds some interesting perspective.[1] It alleges Julie Ann Horvath was actually spreading rumors of a personal nature about the founder's wife before any of this. In other words, Horvath was the bully, and she really didn't like having the tables turned on her. If true, this would be a very difficult employee to keep at the company. She should have been fired for in…

It does sound like ineffectual people management. By the sound of it there were potentially a number of employee problems at the company, which they basically just ignored.

The fact is that if someone is a bullying douchebag, they're probably going to continue with the same behaviour. (I'm not making any comments as to exactly who was the bully here, as it depends who you believe).

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by theorique »

cynicalkane wrote: post #370
jw2013 wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I doubt there will ever be any clear explanation on what happened. Two sides of the story basically tell two different stories. As someone mentioned in the post, Julie posted some tweets in response to Github's announcement today. ( https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore ) 1. Bullying someone into quitting: Illegal. 2. Asking an employee to relay private conversations between her and her partner: Illegal. 3. Justifying the ha…

You can never know which side of the story is true, but it's worth noting that one side of the story looks crazy and the other does not. It's hard to quantify the smell of crazy, but we can start with an overwhelming interest in insulting the other party, and the claims stretch credibility. For example, consider the claim that a man "bullied [her] out of our code base because I wouldn't fuck him". This is a very stro…

She isn't helping her case with this ranting list. I'm certainly not saying that she's acting out some kind of "hysterical female" trope, but she is kind of acting in a kind of stereotypically "hysterical female" way. Legal counsel would probably suggest she stick a cork in it rather than make herself look bad.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by tptacek »

sheetjs wrote: post #279
kelnos wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read Theresa Preston-Werner's post (linked above), she claims that the "mistakes and errors of judgment" were completely unrelated to the harassment story, but were discovered during the harassment investigation.

That's Theresa's claim (if we are going to play he-said-she-said we might as well be consistent). The official response does not suggest that the errors of judgment were unrelated to the subject at hand

They also don't say anything about the Preston-Werner's suppression of the truth about the moon landings.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by throneaway »

lexcorvus wrote: post #225
dreamfactory2 wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going by the TC account (and taking the account there at face value) it sounds very much like bullying of an individual rather than anything gender-based. What's missing is why they got so paranoid about her as a potential troublemaker in the first place before they (allegedly) started handling it like chumps.

This story (unfortunately now dead on Hacker News) claims to fill in what's missing: https://medium.com/p/d96f431f4e8e Money quote: Around the end of 2012, Julie started dating a close male friend of the cofounder’s wife and didn’t like that they were close. She asked them to stop being friends and when they would not end their relationship, Julie started telling coworkers that the wife had affairs and that the cofou…

The new Hacker News moderation team is more politically correct than it used to be. You can bet stories questioning tech-feminist narratives will be dead-ed as "non-constructive"

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Post by msie »

nailer wrote: post #301
smtddr wrote: post #113

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Somehow, I don't think she's doing what is in her best interest right now. The guy has resigned and the tech media is totally on this story right now. Any small _preceived_ misstep and she could end up being labeled another "Adria Richards". Also, the question[1] in her current github background appears to represent a suggestive joke that I would have never guessed she'd be comfortable with. Not saying this is any ki…

The background is from the following scenario: DJ asks girl being interviewed what favourite position is, she responds 'CEO'. IIRC it was 'sway in the morning'.

Hmmm, I thought it was a caller that asked that question, not the DJ.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by fizx »

hackaflocka wrote: post #358

3 recent tweets from the wife that indicate that she might be batshit crazy: TheresaPrestonWerner ‏@tpdubs2 Apr 10 Best meal I've ever had. @ The Meatball Shop http://instagram.com/p/moWCO4njNA/ TheresaPrestonWerner ‏@tpdubs2 Apr 10 Building out a team and getting to work with insanely great people makes me the happiest founder ever. TheresaPrestonWerner ‏@tpdubs2 Mar 27 First time in 2 weeks that I feel like I'm not…

> people who express themselves with such extreme language, usually are batshit crazy

Quick question: Would you consider "batshit crazy" extreme language?

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by throneaway »

wankerrific wrote: post #273
lexcorvus wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This story (unfortunately now dead on Hacker News) claims to fill in what's missing: https://medium.com/p/d96f431f4e8e Money quote: Around the end of 2012, Julie started dating a close male friend of the cofounder’s wife and didn’t like that they were close. She asked them to stop being friends and when they would not end their relationship, Julie started telling coworkers that the wife had affairs and that the cofou…

I think its pretty telling that this an anonymous account and that no one is will to attach their name to the Medium post.

First feminists take a man's job. Then they taunt people who criticize them to use their real names. Yeah, I see where this is going.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by cynicalkane »

theorique wrote: post #373
cynicalkane wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can never know which side of the story is true, but it's worth noting that one side of the story looks crazy and the other does not. It's hard to quantify the smell of crazy, but we can start with an overwhelming interest in insulting the other party, and the claims stretch credibility. For example, consider the claim that a man "bullied [her] out of our code base because I wouldn't fuck him". This is a very stro…

She isn't helping her case with this ranting list. I'm certainly not saying that she's acting out some kind of "hysterical female" trope, but she is kind of acting in a kind of stereotypically "hysterical female" way. Legal counsel would probably suggest she stick a cork in it rather than make herself look bad.

Men are also capable of angry twitter explosions with the properties I'm talking about. I don't see why you felt the need to bring up the "hysterical female" stereotype. It doesn't add anything to the conversation.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by sergiotapia »

foohbarbaz wrote: post #284

What an ugly mess! Somewhat related: I am amazed now much gossiping goes on in an entirely male work group behind other people's backs. Males are definitely worse than females in that regard. I would not be surpised if allegations were true. A bunch if primadonna devs can be nasty to work with. Just stay away and separate work and life.

Eh no, in my personal experience in a workplace where there are majority women you -will- get cliques and you will hear some nasty rumors go around. Women enjoy spreading gossip and harassing each other.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hmlPtRu1SQ

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