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Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by chippy »

001sky wrote: post #336
chippy wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if Julie wants to share this story so publicly then everyone should at least have all of the story the whole thing is crass and distasteful to my british sensibilities, but if this the future of how conflict in internet corporations is represented, then we shouldn't be surprised to see allegations from all sides. The key skills that we as audience have to develop is critical thinking, impartiality and a good sense o…

we shouldn't be surprised to see allegations from all sides. The line is drawn at "anonymous internet sources". At least in the sense of euclidean geometry, that is not a "side" of the argument as much as it is a literary device to create an infinite attack surface.

We shouldn't be surprised, still, but we should be more on our guard when looking at the sources from any angle.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by hackaflocka »

smrtinsert wrote: post #220

I wonder why his wife had to be at Github at all. I've worked at half a dozen startups now. Never would a spouse of either gender be in the office, and if they happened to maybe communicate with anyone, it was only a quick introduction and then they got out of your way. I would consider it highly inappropriate.

His wife's twitter bio reads:

"Obsessed with inspiring the tech community to support underfunded nonprofits."

It's so much easier to pressure, oops I meant "inspire," people when you're the wife of the CEO.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by Nelson69 »

cjbprime wrote: post #14

There appear to have been weirdnesses around the investigation, such as Julie Ann Horvath (and other ex-employees) remaining uncontacted until it was wrapping up: https://twitter.com/nrrrdcore/status/453298152569720832 So I don't know how much stock you can place behind the idea that the investigators GH hired, who did not contact ex-employees competently, found them blameless. The resignation probably speaks for mor…

More weirdness than the whole entire thing?

I don't think you can read much in to anything here, GH painted themselves in to a corner and either had to deny the allegations or their seriousness or someone had to get punished.

If she reported something to HR and it backfired, I think she should sue them, I really don't care about the co-founder's wife lurking around too much or who was friends with whom or who was sleeping with whom. That's pretty serious to me, so sue them.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by stormbrew »

teacup50 wrote: post #334
stormbrew wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I could ever so narrowly define "how people actually behave," personally. I'm not even sure what you're implying the implausible behaviour in Horvath's account is.

> I don't think I could ever so narrowly define "how people actually behave," personally. Really? I can. They behave messily and almost always with a keen eye towards advancing their own position, whatever it may be, rational, honest, or otherwise. > I'm not even sure what you're implying the implausible behaviour in Horvath's account is. The part where complex, multi-party, interactions are dramatic in the extreme,…

> The part where complex, multi-party, interactions are dramatic in the extreme, bad behavior is completely one-sided, and the entire situation ascribed to a simplistic (gender bias) narrative

I am incredibly curious how this doesn't describe the anon account much better than Horvath's, only changing 'gender bias' to 'relationship insanity.' Who has bad behaviour other than Horvath in that account? How is it not incredibly dramatic?

It reads like an episode of Jerry Springer.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by apercu »

abalone wrote: post #278
ender7 wrote: post #81

"We didn't do anything illegal, or that would leave us vulnerable to a lawsuit" is about the only content that this blog post contains. While Horvath characterized much of her woes as being gender-related [1], the investigation could have classified most of them as either unprovable or terrible-but-not-provably-sexist (in particular, the behavior of the Preston-Werners). I doubt it will ever be clear what actually ha…

Don't forget this link, the anonymous GitHub employee response to Horvath's claims: "Facts Conveniently Withheld". https://medium.com/p/d96f431f4e8e

I sort of feel that if this anonymous posting was 100% accurate, then the cofounder wouldn't have resigned. Better if the people involved came out and told the truth.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by chippy »

manish_gill wrote: post #293
res0nat0r wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did and understand everything that is going on, but reading her Twitter feed the last hour shitting on everyone and everything at Github (since they didn't find any criminal wrongdoing) doesn't make you look good or more believable, it actually does the opposite.

Yep, we should all just shut the fuck up if we feel we're wronged.

Yes. A lawyer would advise that yes, please do not say anything until we get to court.

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by hackaflocka »

3 recent tweets from the wife that indicate that she might be batshit crazy:

TheresaPrestonWerner ‏@tpdubs2 Apr 10 Best meal I've ever had. @ The Meatball Shop http://instagram.com/p/moWCO4njNA/

TheresaPrestonWerner ‏@tpdubs2 Apr 10 Building out a team and getting to work with insanely great people makes me the happiest founder ever.

TheresaPrestonWerner ‏@tpdubs2 Mar 27 First time in 2 weeks that I feel like I'm not just performing being excited, but I really am insanely excited to change the world!

(people who express themselves with such extreme language, usually are batshit crazy. not taking sides here, the Horvath lady also seems to be batshit crazy from a reading of her tweet stream.)

Re: Results of the GitHub Investigation

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Post by chippy »

avenger123 wrote: post #199

We have a process for all this. It's called the legal system. It's not perfect but it mostly gets the job done. Has Julie Ann Horvath formally sued Github? It's not clear to me that she has. It seems that she may have grounds for some kind of lawsuit. Why hasn't she sued the company (if in fact there is no lawsuit)? This to me is the most important question. At the moment, it seems this is becoming a matter of public…

Quite so, and in most legal cases, both sides tend not to speak openly or publicly until the case has finished.
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