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US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by dwd »

vorg wrote: post #186
dwd wrote: post #183

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While true it's potentially harder to immigrate to New Zealand unless you come from Kiribati, Tuvalu or Tonga which have an extra entry option.

Not sure what you mean by "potentially harder". I've met many people who immigrated to NZ because they couldn't get into Australia. They then moved to Australia within a month or two of qualifying for and getting NZ citizenship. It used to take 3 yrs of NZ residency (tho with very lenient allowances for time out of the country every calendar year) to become a citizen but was changed to 5 yrs around 10 yrs ago, so may…

Happy to stand corrected. Curious as to how they were disqualified. Was it current demand for their trade/qualification or something else?

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by tommu »

BenefitOfDoubt wrote: post #125
tommu wrote: post #92

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Einstein, Tesla and Musk. None of those guys would have ended up in the US if you had any power over immigration policy. Oh.. and are you native? Genuine question as I have no idea.

What kind of argument is this? You can't argue fate. You could also say that without the level of immigration we have, the world trade center would never have been attacked, we would have never invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Millions of lives would be saved. One could say that Einstein changed fate such that a certain person was never even born who would have surpassed his achievements. This is nonsense and illogical.…

The argument is that if you deny people entry you miss out on talent. It is that simple. Now you want to deny people with proven talent who's abilities will further the interests of the nation state. Some of those you deny will have exceptional abilities. The nation as a whole loses.

It is very sad that nine percent of computer science graduates are unemployed. Why is that? Why are they not fulfilling the already critical need for skilled IT workers? A clue - it's not because the immigrants are taking all there jobs.

Love the quote BTW - from and immigrant news service.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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BenefitOfDoubt wrote: post #199
tn13 wrote: post #195

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Opposite of fixed is `not fixed` instead of unlimited. I never said America has unlimited jobs but the number of jobs would depend on too many factors. Someone has a degree does not mean the person is productive enough to get an actual full time job. Also government's protectionist mechanisms only hurt these people. Assume that for any job there is a productivity level required X. For some value X=N, it is profitable…

> Someone has a degree does not mean the person is productive enough to get an actual full time job. So your assumption is that large portions of people who put in all the effort to achieve a STEM degree cannot be productive enough even to even get/hold a job in that same field? That is a big assumption, and pretty unfounded. It if far more realistic to suggest that American companies cannot afford to hire domestic w…

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Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by BenefitOfDoubt »

tn13 wrote: post #195
BenefitOfDoubt wrote: post #182

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> Similarly the H1B cap seems to have an assumption that there are some fixed number of STEM jobs out there and if Indians fill it up, somehow the Americans will not get it. I would assume a higher concentration of Engineers in USA would only lead to more innovation, more engineers trying to earn more money by being far more creative and so on. So you are assuming the opposite? There are unlimited STEM jobs here? You…

Opposite of fixed is `not fixed` instead of unlimited. I never said America has unlimited jobs but the number of jobs would depend on too many factors. Someone has a degree does not mean the person is productive enough to get an actual full time job. Also government's protectionist mechanisms only hurt these people. Assume that for any job there is a productivity level required X. For some value X=N, it is profitable…

The least you could do is offer a counter argument rather than a blind downvote you a-hole.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by tn13 »

BenefitOfDoubt wrote: post #204
tn13 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Opposite of fixed is `not fixed` instead of unlimited. I never said America has unlimited jobs but the number of jobs would depend on too many factors. Someone has a degree does not mean the person is productive enough to get an actual full time job. Also government's protectionist mechanisms only hurt these people. Assume that for any job there is a productivity level required X. For some value X=N, it is profitable…

The least you could do is offer a counter argument rather than a blind downvote you a-hole.

I did not down-vote your answer and this kind of foul language is not acceptable in the community.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by dang »

tn13 wrote: post #205
BenefitOfDoubt wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The least you could do is offer a counter argument rather than a blind downvote you a-hole.

I did not down-vote your answer and this kind of foul language is not acceptable in the community.

Swear words aren't against the rules, but personal attacks are. We ban people for that, especially when they don't have a history as a positive contributor to HN.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by vorg »

dwd wrote: post #201
vorg wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what you mean by "potentially harder". I've met many people who immigrated to NZ because they couldn't get into Australia. They then moved to Australia within a month or two of qualifying for and getting NZ citizenship. It used to take 3 yrs of NZ residency (tho with very lenient allowances for time out of the country every calendar year) to become a citizen but was changed to 5 yrs around 10 yrs ago, so may…

Happy to stand corrected. Curious as to how they were disqualified. Was it current demand for their trade/qualification or something else?

In the 1990's it was easier to immigrate to NZ than Australia under the different points systems of the two countries. Virtually immigrant I spoke to in NZ got in because of qualification and work experience in China.
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