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US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by vorg »

thmcmahon wrote: post #77
ebiester wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are only a few really good places to live for an educated worker. Japan, Australia, Western and Northern Europe, Canada, and the US. I will operationalize "good" as "an intelligent worker can make an exceptional living relative to their country of origin." Each of these places only take a limited amount of immigrants each year. Some are more difficult based on the national language -- learning Danish isn't more…

Australia has an uncapped temporary migration program for skilled workers ( http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/457.aspx ), the situation described in this article can not happen in Australia. On a permanent level, Australia has a permanent program of around 180,000 places a year in a country with only 22 million people.

And those 180,000 places is only the front door into Australia. The back door is to immigrate to New Zealand, become a NZ citizen, then move to Australia. Because Australia and New Zealand have a single labor market, citizens of both can live and work in each others countries without any special permission or numerical restrictions. From my personal observations, virtually all immigrants to NZ move to Australia once they can, and frequently refer to New Zealand as Australia's back door.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by BenefitOfDoubt »

tn13 wrote: post #147

I am in USA on H1B. A lot of American problems seem to be around the thinking that there is some kind "fixed" number of jobs, misery, poverty, disease etc. A lot of welfare systems here seems to assume that there is a fixed number of single mothers, disabled etc. without acknowledging the fact that the more incentives you give to them more people will try to get into that category. For example more dole you give to d…

>Similarly the H1B cap seems to have an assumption that there are some fixed number of STEM jobs out there and if Indians fill it up, somehow the Americans will not get it. I would assume a higher concentration of Engineers in USA would only lead to more innovation, more engineers trying to earn more money by being far more creative and so on.

So you are assuming the opposite? There are unlimited STEM jobs here? You are quite misinformed.

In the United States, nine percent of computer science graduates are unemployed, and 14.7 percent of those who hold degrees in information systems have no job. Graduates with degrees in STEM - science, technology, engineering and medicine - are facing record joblessness, with unemployment at more than twice pre-recession levels. The job market for law degree holders continues to erode, with only 55 percent of 2011 law graduates in full-time jobs.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/surviving-p...

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by dwd »

vorg wrote: post #181
thmcmahon wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Australia has an uncapped temporary migration program for skilled workers ( http://www.immi.gov.au/Visas/Pages/457.aspx ), the situation described in this article can not happen in Australia. On a permanent level, Australia has a permanent program of around 180,000 places a year in a country with only 22 million people.

And those 180,000 places is only the front door into Australia. The back door is to immigrate to New Zealand, become a NZ citizen, then move to Australia. Because Australia and New Zealand have a single labor market, citizens of both can live and work in each others countries without any special permission or numerical restrictions. From my personal observations, virtually all immigrants to NZ move to Australia once…

While true it's potentially harder to immigrate to New Zealand unless you come from Kiribati, Tuvalu or Tonga which have an extra entry option.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by sentenza »

refurb wrote: post #52
joe_the_user wrote: post #39

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What evidence do you have that the US is an attractive place at all, relative to other advanced or semi-advanced nations? More applicants than places does not prove that much in a world of scarce jobs. People are dying, literally drowning in the Mediterranean, to get into Europe. As I know, people still apply to work in Qatar even as they engage in work practices that well be "nothing less than murder"in the process…

About 13% of the world's adults -- or about 630 million people -- say they would like to leave their country and move somewhere else permanently. For roughly 138 million people, that somewhere else would be the U.S. -- the No. 1 desired destination for potential migrants. The U.K., Canada, and France also rank among the top choices for potential migrants. http://www.gallup.com/poll/161435/100-million-worldwide-drea..…

Your quote is fantastic, as it brings to light an important point: Language is an extremely important motivator for destination selection.

The list contains the UK and France, but not Germany or the Netherlands.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by jedmeyers »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #174
jedmeyers wrote: post #160

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Earning less than a unionized plumber is sometimes degrading.

Why? It takes about 5 years to become registered plumber in NZ/AU. Many plumbers are also qualified in drainlaying, gasfitting and roofing as well. If you work with gas then lives depend on the quality of your work. You also have to be physically fit, willing to get up early and sometimes deal with really unpleasant situations (e.g. wade through shit). "Average" plumbers in AU might only get 60-80k (seriously, check…

Can I do my own plumbing if I do it according to the codes and I am not in a union? Also why do I have to pay for a plumber that is qualified in drainlaying, gasfitting and roofing when all I need is to fix a small leak in my faucet? It's like when you need to reinstall Windows on your PC you cannot do it yourself and have to get a software engineer for $500/hr who can write assembly code and knows the difference between merge and quicksort.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by vorg »

dwd wrote: post #183
vorg wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And those 180,000 places is only the front door into Australia. The back door is to immigrate to New Zealand, become a NZ citizen, then move to Australia. Because Australia and New Zealand have a single labor market, citizens of both can live and work in each others countries without any special permission or numerical restrictions. From my personal observations, virtually all immigrants to NZ move to Australia once…

While true it's potentially harder to immigrate to New Zealand unless you come from Kiribati, Tuvalu or Tonga which have an extra entry option.

Not sure what you mean by "potentially harder". I've met many people who immigrated to NZ because they couldn't get into Australia. They then moved to Australia within a month or two of qualifying for and getting NZ citizenship. It used to take 3 yrs of NZ residency (tho with very lenient allowances for time out of the country every calendar year) to become a citizen but was changed to 5 yrs around 10 yrs ago, so maybe the situation's changed a little since then.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by lancewiggs »

vorg wrote: post #186
dwd wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While true it's potentially harder to immigrate to New Zealand unless you come from Kiribati, Tuvalu or Tonga which have an extra entry option.

Not sure what you mean by "potentially harder". I've met many people who immigrated to NZ because they couldn't get into Australia. They then moved to Australia within a month or two of qualifying for and getting NZ citizenship. It used to take 3 yrs of NZ residency (tho with very lenient allowances for time out of the country every calendar year) to become a citizen but was changed to 5 yrs around 10 yrs ago, so may…

Much easier as NZ has a simple points system.

But I don't understand why you'd want to leave, having lived in the US, UK, Australia, South Africa and NZ, the choice of NZ for ease of doing business and life is easy.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by lancewiggs »

ebiester wrote: post #48
tokenadult wrote: post #26

What is that makes the United States such an attractive place to immigrate to for people whose skill sets could take them almost anywhere in the world? (In other words, why is that successive sessions of Congress can basically count on lots of people desiring to live in the United States, thus setting up an environment in which immigration regulation is restrictive rather than open?) (I'm genuinely curious about this…

There are only a few really good places to live for an educated worker. Japan, Australia, Western and Northern Europe, Canada, and the US. I will operationalize "good" as "an intelligent worker can make an exceptional living relative to their country of origin." Each of these places only take a limited amount of immigrants each year. Some are more difficult based on the national language -- learning Danish isn't more…

You missed South Africa, Hong Kong, Singapore, China, New Zealand, most of South America, Malaysia, Middle East and so on and on. Personally I put New Zealand on top of the list - as many other lists do along with the Nordic countries.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by josephschmoe »

bostonvaulter2 wrote: post #94
josephschmoe wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should be a percent of workers, say a maximum of 5%.

And who will categorize all the companies and make sure that they are not mis-representing themselves?

Already exists. It's called Payroll Tax.
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