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US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by hpagey »

fsk wrote: post #2

They really should call them "indentured servant slave visas". The H1-B visa holder has to leave the country if he gets fired (and doesn't find a new employer quickly), and if he switches jobs the green card process has to start over. Because the H1-B visa employee is legally bound to the job, he becomes more attractive than hiring a US citizen, (assuming equal salary and qualification).

"and if he switches jobs the green card process has to start over." This is incorrect. You retain your place in the GC queue if your i-140 is applied and approved. You just have to port your i-140 .

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by tommu »

NextUserName wrote: post #24

> 124,000 people applied for the combined 85,000 So if we gave them all Visas - we'd be good for less than two weeks? Sounds like a bigger problem here. On a related note, how many highly skilled and educated people live here already who are currently unemployed? Two observations. * Immigrants will go to where the work is. They will live almost anywhere the work is, they are moving already so it is easier than for so…

Einstein, Tesla and Musk. None of those guys would have ended up in the US if you had any power over immigration policy. Oh.. and are you native? Genuine question as I have no idea.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by nowarninglabel »

ollysb wrote: post #72
ebiester wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are only a few really good places to live for an educated worker. Japan, Australia, Western and Northern Europe, Canada, and the US. I will operationalize "good" as "an intelligent worker can make an exceptional living relative to their country of origin." Each of these places only take a limited amount of immigrants each year. Some are more difficult based on the national language -- learning Danish isn't more…

As a developer you can live anywhere that has a decent internet connection. That's a pretty large portion of the planet these days...

I've traveled pretty extensively across the world for work and very few places have an internet connection that compares to even a modest broadband connection in the US. Not only that, I deal with this problem weekly from our partners in 75 countries across the world who don't have good internet connections. As well, you're discounting the world's oceans. I've worked on a ship where we provided an extremely limited internet connection that would not be suitable for rapid development work.

I'd say it's a pretty small portion of the planet that has a decent internet connection, but the detail is how you define "decent".

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by bostonvaulter2 »

josephschmoe wrote: post #54
TeMPOraL wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the reason for such visa distribution is really the need to outsource paperwork, then introducing the quota you propose would only result in visas going to myriad of smaller outsourcing companies instead of few big ones.

Should be a percent of workers, say a maximum of 5%.

And who will categorize all the companies and make sure that they are not mis-representing themselves?

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by chc »

lolwutf wrote: post #73
ebiester wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are only a few really good places to live for an educated worker. Japan, Australia, Western and Northern Europe, Canada, and the US. I will operationalize "good" as "an intelligent worker can make an exceptional living relative to their country of origin." Each of these places only take a limited amount of immigrants each year. Some are more difficult based on the national language -- learning Danish isn't more…

With the advent of remote work upon us, I find it hard that you'd be limited to those countries. In fact, literally the ENTIRE WORLD is your oyster, assuming you can reliably, regularly find power, wifi, and a team that'll work with you on your timezone's timeframe.

The "advent of remote work" may be upon us, but a lot of places aren't really on-board yet. Go look at any job listings site — remote work is very much not the rule.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

scv119 wrote: post #86
ollysb wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a developer you can live anywhere that has a decent internet connection. That's a pretty large portion of the planet these days...

Sorry, there is no DECENT internet connection in China

And yet, I still am able to work here. Barely, but still (helps that we have our own line from the office).

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by IvyMike »

thingylab wrote: post #21
fsk wrote: post #2

They really should call them "indentured servant slave visas". The H1-B visa holder has to leave the country if he gets fired (and doesn't find a new employer quickly), and if he switches jobs the green card process has to start over. Because the H1-B visa employee is legally bound to the job, he becomes more attractive than hiring a US citizen, (assuming equal salary and qualification).

That's a bit of an exaggeration. Many H1-Bs work in high-value industries and make a decent amount of money (I should know, I'm an H1-B holder). I don't think many of them consider themselves slaves. The green card process for a H1-B is particularly annoying and restrictive though, as is the arbitrary time limit. Not sure what you mean by "the H1-B visa employee is legally bound to the job". Sure, your company's name…

I think you have never been laid off.

I know a few H1-B visa holders who were and I cannot imagine the stress they went through. Fortunately they all found jobs in time, although when you've got a time limit, you end up making some compromises.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by potatolicious »

lolwutf wrote: post #73
ebiester wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are only a few really good places to live for an educated worker. Japan, Australia, Western and Northern Europe, Canada, and the US. I will operationalize "good" as "an intelligent worker can make an exceptional living relative to their country of origin." Each of these places only take a limited amount of immigrants each year. Some are more difficult based on the national language -- learning Danish isn't more…

With the advent of remote work upon us, I find it hard that you'd be limited to those countries. In fact, literally the ENTIRE WORLD is your oyster, assuming you can reliably, regularly find power, wifi, and a team that'll work with you on your timezone's timeframe.

Remote work is lowering some barriers, but others aren't so easily fixed.

I'm a first-gen immigrant. My family originally moved because of rampant pollution due to unrestrained industrialization, as well as geopolitical risks (having air/bomb raid drills in school isn't really that fun). Telecommuting doesn't really fix these.

Suffice it to say, emigration/immigration is a Big Deal for the people who do it, and for the most part it isn't being done simply because the jobs are better. There are usually far more fundamental concerns behind the decision, a better economy is just one factor out of many.

Re: US burns through all high-skill visas for 2015 in less than a week

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Post by throwaway7808 »

ericd wrote: post #78
firstOrder wrote: post #5

> Does turning away highly skilled and educated people due to an artificial cap on visas sound silly? This is a false way of framing things on many levels. First, as Norm Matloff has extensively documented, they are not all "highly skilled and educated people". Secondly, they can be given green cards and other such things, why is this specific visa necessary? Also, if there's a shortage of talent, then the Silicon Va…

From an economic competitiveness aspect, as a country, we should be trying to get as many IIT graduates to be American citizens as we can.

And from an economic competitiveness aspect, as a world?
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