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Re: Navy tests rail gun

#81

$25,000 for a single projectile is "affordable"? Why do I feel like I'm living in a madhouse?

A single-use anti-tank weapon costs $50,000, and worth every penny if you're the infantryman and the tank is heading toward you. Its dirt cheap at the cost, considering the price of a tank. Same for the railgun. They are shooting at million-dollar targets.

> Its dirt cheap at the cost, considering the price of a tank.

And the price of an infantryman.

Re: Navy tests rail gun

#82
post #16

Have they fixed the problem where the gun destroys itself after three shots? (Edit: downvoters: this is a serious question. This is a (historical?) known problem with railguns.[0]) [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railgun#Considerations

I'm not sure who would downvote that: the amperage is simply staggering! That, and the railgun project has been around for years, with the self-destruct problem being one of the more obvious issues with the idea. Bludino notes [0] a Popular Mechanics article that quote ls 3MA, with a plan to go to 6MA! [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7553163

The amperage is not the issue(main issue at least).

The way a rail gun works the projectile(or its casing) must make physical and solid contact with the barrel. This is because the electric current actually flows through the projectile from one rail to the other rail[1]. This produces huge amounts of wear on the barrel, making it extremely difficult to maintain the barrel. Both in form and in being able have the projectiles make solid contact.

[1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Railgun-1...

Re: Navy tests rail gun

#83
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> While it's unlikely that this will allow the aircraft carrier to regain the place it once held... Care to elaborate on this? I was under the impression aircraft carriers were still our best general purpose military tool? (wartime/peacetime/force projection/ect)

Wikipedia has a good writeup of the Millenium Challenge 2002 wargames, where a large fleet was basically destroyed by assymetrical guerilla tactics (small boats, low tech communication): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Don't forget the cruise missiles.

(both for the Millennium Challenge wargames and as a general equalizer of sea power)

Re: Navy tests rail gun

#84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Targeting is certainly important and remains to be seen if they're up to it. But Mach 7 means you only have to get a fix on it, and a rough estimate of its speed; the missile will arrive in milliseconds and the target won't have moved very far. But is there anything in the air that has enough extra parts that it can survive a 10-inch hole through and through, and destruction of everything in between? Certainly not an…

Mach 7 is 5328mph 100 miles at 5328mph is going to take ~1 minute

And 1 mile is going to take 1.5 seconds. So yeah not milliseconds, but fast.

Re: Navy tests rail gun

#85
post #48

The first operational beam weapons and rail guns really bring out in stark contrast that all a modern weapon system is, is the ability to reasonably safely store potential energy 'here' and accurately release it 'there', with hopefully catastrophic consequences. What railguns and beam weapons do, is weaponize nuclear reactors and gas turbines, reducing the need for propellants and explosives. While it's unlikely that…

> while it's unlikely that this will allow the aircraft carrier to regain the place it once held

The very first thing I thought after all that waxing poetic about destroying a $2M missile with a $20,000 slug was, "OK, now what happens if the enemy launches a couple missiles at the same time?"

And heck, while we're at it you probably don't need such sophisticated guidance equipment if you aren't perching all your eggs on top of one rocket. . . so can this thing achieve a high enough rate of fire to put even a tiny little dent in a large salvo of cheap missiles?

Re: Navy tests rail gun

#86

$25,000 for a single projectile is "affordable"? Why do I feel like I'm living in a madhouse?

A single-use anti-tank weapon costs $50,000, and worth every penny if you're the infantryman and the tank is heading toward you. Its dirt cheap at the cost, considering the price of a tank. Same for the railgun. They are shooting at million-dollar targets.

The question is... how much does the railgun itself cost per shot? $25,000 per round is cheap enough, but what's the impact of each firing on the gun?

Missles and shells are expensive mostly because they have to propel themselves, but they benefit from the fact that that propulsion system only has to work one time. A useful railgun will need to be able to fire thousands of times without major maintenance before you'll start seeing any cost benefit to cheap ammunition.

Re: Navy tests rail gun

#87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure who would downvote that: the amperage is simply staggering! That, and the railgun project has been around for years, with the self-destruct problem being one of the more obvious issues with the idea. Bludino notes [0] a Popular Mechanics article that quote ls 3MA, with a plan to go to 6MA! [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7553163

The amperage is not the issue(main issue at least). The way a rail gun works the projectile(or its casing) must make physical and solid contact with the barrel. This is because the electric current actually flows through the projectile from one rail to the other rail[1]. This produces huge amounts of wear on the barrel, making it extremely difficult to maintain the barrel. Both in form and in being able have the proj…

Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for that image. Until now I had assumed it was a coil that hurled a solid metal core (which always had me wondering where the rail part of the name came from). No idea how I failed to catch that for years.

Re: Navy tests rail gun

#88
post #48

The first operational beam weapons and rail guns really bring out in stark contrast that all a modern weapon system is, is the ability to reasonably safely store potential energy 'here' and accurately release it 'there', with hopefully catastrophic consequences. What railguns and beam weapons do, is weaponize nuclear reactors and gas turbines, reducing the need for propellants and explosives. While it's unlikely that…

> While it's unlikely that this will allow the aircraft carrier to regain the place it once held... Care to elaborate on this? I was under the impression aircraft carriers were still our best general purpose military tool? (wartime/peacetime/force projection/ect)

They're great against a low-tech adversary, but against serious ballistic or (some) cruise missiles, they're just slowly-moving seaborne apartment blocks. Good writeup here:

http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-this-is-how-the-carrier...

Re: Navy tests rail gun

#89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mach 7 is 5328mph 100 miles at 5328mph is going to take ~1 minute

And 1 mile is going to take 1.5 seconds. So yeah not milliseconds, but fast.

An ICBM RV in reentry phase (15K miles an hour) or a Sprint ABM (0 to Mach 10 in 5 seconds) now those are fast.
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