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Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

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Re: Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

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So if you don't eat much you may live longer. It will certainly FEEL longer.

Scientist thought they could shortcut this process by discovering the underlying biochemical mechanism. One promising lead was the insulin subsystem which is ubiqitous in our tissues and in most animals for nearly 700 million years. This lead to the SIR family of genes and chemicals like red wine that seem to manipulate them. What works in yeast and worms doesnt seem to apply to mammals that well yet. Western mdicine: develop and take a PILL to solve your problems.

Re: Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

#52

So if you don't eat much you may live longer. It will certainly FEEL longer.

>So if you don't eat much you may live longer. >It will certainly FEEL longer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7fs33Jewsg&t=4m25s

According to people that do it they feel great (possibly due to BDNF activation in the brain).

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I thought about doing CR for a while - I read the "120 Year Diet," and was considering giving it a try. Then I met up with a couple who was into hardcore CR. I had dinner with them. Two things made me decide not to do it: 1) they seemed frail and weak - the man seemed to have a constant runny nose. I felt that if he fell down he would break his hip. The risk of injury and death from physical weakness seemed like it w…

>Then I met up with a couple who was into hardcore CR.

You probably met someone on the extreme hardcore edge of it. Certainly it's a spectrum and counting calories and nutrients with computer programs is extremely normal today -- there are about a million programs that do it on your phone for you including taking photos of bar codes, etc.

Re: Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

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People are mentioning caloric restriction not being worth it for humans because of quality of life vs length of life. However one thought that I find interesting, is that for our generation, living just two or three extra years could potentially make a huge difference. If you subscribe to the idea of a coming technological singularity, or even to the idea that we're a few decades away from SENS escape velocity, you'd…

Might be. I think the quality of life issues are overstated, but I'm an ectomorph so I can change my food intake on a whim. Being hungry isn't a distraction to me unless I'm very busy physically.

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'cause who really likes _eating_, anyway. A no-brainer to just reduce food. Yeah that'll work. Lots of things might reduce mortality and prolong lifespan. It's quite another thing to ask whether these things are viable options for modern human beings.

In the early 90's my girlfriend was into CR. She was also into supplements. No one that I've ever known took so many vitamins, minerals, herbs, and antioxidants. She ordered them in bulk in powdered form and made a mess in the kitchen mixing them up every day. Of course, now there's evidence that heavy doses of vitamins aren't beneficial and may actually be harmful.

As to the calorie reduction, she was quite successful in controlling her diet. She ordered guar gum in 50 lb sacks (from Tic Gums), mixing it with water to have something in her stomach when she was hungry. She seemed to settle into a routine that I don't think I could have tolerated. She didn't ever look anorexic, but had very very low body fat.

She was very afraid of getting old and this motivated her. I think that without some sort of pharmaceutical breakthrough that controls hunger, the rest of us will not find CR practical.

Re: Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

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There is lots of interesting research on the links between caloric restriction and the ageing process. It's the impact on the insulin and insulin like growth factor (IGF-1) pathways that seems to be important:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867412...

http://kenyonlab.ucsf.edu/Kenyon_2010_Nature_rev.pdf

Re: Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

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What's interesting about human all-cause mortality trends is that human beings in the developed countries have been gaining three months of lifespan for every year that they live (sometimes described as "six hours each day").[1] Girls born since 2000 in the developed world are more likely than not to reach the age of 100, with boys likely to enjoy lifespans almost as long. The article "The Biodemography of Human Agei…

> Girls born since 2000 in the developed world are more likely than not to reach the age of 100, with boys likely to enjoy lifespans almost as long

I'm sure this is backed up by studies and references, and at the same time I am amused at the hubris of making this statement. It's a cheap prediction to make, given that it will be around 2070 before you can verify it - and how right it is depends on lack-of-catastrohpies (e.g. in 20 years we'll have an idea how the meltdown in Fukushima affects lifespan), same-rate-and-same-kind-and-availability of advances, etc.

And before you criticize me for being "anti-sciece" - I am not, and unlike a lot of other assertions, this might technically be science (I haven't reviewed the source material) - however, it is not useful science because it may take 70 years to falsify.

Furthermore, a lot of -- perhaps most -- extrapolations of past trends had been wrong. At the time of Wallace & Darwin it was "scientifically" extrapolated that food will only grow linearly. And in 1980 climate studies had shown that if we don't do anything (and we didn't) by 2000 quite a few coastal cities will be underwater. If I wasn't anonymous, I'd place a long bet that the data crunching that led to this prediction will turn out to be complete rubish.

Re: Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While stated as sarcasm, this is a very reasonable concern. Suppose we can extend human life with Calore Restriction, but at the cost of having to slow person's activity to the point that the overall amout of actions (work, leisure etc.) remains the same as during shorter, more intense life. Would that still be worth it? What would a person gain through longer lifespan if she was limited to roughly the same amout of…

Why speculate when we already have some data on activity levels under CR? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction#Activity_le...

Very interesting!

>Laboratory rodents placed on a CR diet tend to exhibit increased activity levels (particularly when provided with exercise equipment) at feeding time. Monkeys undergoing CR also appear more restless immediately before and after meals.[62] Despite this brief daily period of increased activity overall activity is no higher in CR than AL animals in youth after an initial period of adaptation to the diet.[63] On the other hand, CR has been found to retard the decline in activity that occurs during normal aging: in one study, animals on a conventional diet "showed little activity" by early middle age, while those on CR "were observed to run around the cage and climb onto and hang from the wire cage tops throughout their life spans. In fact, the longest surviving [CR] mouse was observed hanging from the top of his cage only 3 days before he became moribund."

Re: Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

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post #52

So if you don't eat much you may live longer. It will certainly FEEL longer.

>So if you don't eat much you may live longer. >It will certainly FEEL longer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7fs33Jewsg&t=4m25s According to people that do it they feel great (possibly due to BDNF activation in the brain).

BDNF will affect neuronal proliferation, but won't affect how you feel (mood) in the short term.

Re: Caloric restriction reduces age-related and all-cause mortality in rhesus monkeys

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> Received 12 October 2013 Accepted 05 March 2014 Published 01 April 2014 Am I the only one who finds this crazy? It takes 6 months from submission date till publication! The peer review process should move faster and become modernized. I undrestand, you want to be published on prestigious journals, but Nature and others can modernize to publish more. You can argue, we lost 6 months or half a year of progress because…

Welcome to science.

At best you have a 2-3 month wait. At worst, years.

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