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> But the unspoken claim is that all events with a lot of men are unbearable for women (and decent people). How sensitive would you say you are to what women find bearable? How do you know?
What does it matter? Can you speak for all women? And for all men?
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What does it matter? Can you speak for all women? And for all men?
No, but when they say they're feeling something I'll do my level best believe it and try to understand it before minimizing it.
I'm not interested in football. I guess that makes all male dominated professions hostile to me, because men like to talk about football. It's so unfair.
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I'd say most industries are as hostile to men as they are to women. Books about the sickness of organizations are plentiful. I don't understand your question about "what is different about computer science". I tell you what is different: you don't have to crawl in the mud for computer science, and there are a couple of overblown stories about IT billionaires having parties in fancy offices. There are fewer stories ab…
> were you referring to the all-women IT company? They do exist now. And there are plenty of organizations organizing women only IT events for women. I was referring the conclusion that these events/organizations significantly harm men. > So if they are successful, why wouldn't they lead to more women only IT companies? Because the whole of 20th century labor history, which is replete with counter-examples. Women sup…
The discrimination is already happening with the women only events. Why should it suddenly stop afterwards? Especially since these are women who seem to be uncomfortable around men. Why should they then hire men into their IT company?
It would help if there was some explicit explanation of why they think this is necessary. Are women being discriminated against when the apply to the more general Summer Of Code events, or are they choosing not to apply because they are (or are worried about being) harassed or ostracized when they go to those events? And if either of these are issues, it seems far healthier in the long term to address those problems…
From personal experience, it's a cultural issue. Admissions aren't discriminatory, but summer camps of this sort are typically dominated by males. Being the only "different" person in a largely homogeneous group can cause all sorts of difficulties at that age. Sense of community and belonging are as important, if not more important, than instruction. FWIW, male-dominated summer camps are a problem for males and femal…
Sounds like it was great last year, so it's absolutely worth it. Such events are definitely needed.
Why are they needed? To counter genderism? If so, doesn't it seem self-defeating to try to outgrow our sexist prejudices by actively countering them? If women have suffered discrimination in the software development community, we can all make an effort not to let it happen. But to create an institutionalized/organized effort towards countering prejudice is to strengthen it by latching on to it, rather than acknowledg…
Concerning gender equality: is there any lesson to be learned by the Sweden example?
NYTimes Article on Swedish Pre-schools:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/world/europe/swedish-schoo...