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Re: Square Market Accepts Bitcoin

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Does anyone have an opinion on why the price of Bitcoin doesn't seem to move on news like this? It seems significant in my opinion and I would think that wider acceptance would lead to a higher price, but that hasn't been the case over the past few weeks / announcements.

Recently a large number of bitcoins were stolen from a major exchange. The hackers will be liquidating these over a long period of time, exerting downward pressure on the price.

Re: Square Market Accepts Bitcoin

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Sort of starting to feel like all the crappy Bitcoin-specific businesses are about to get replaced by their "normal" equivalents who will just suddenly start taking Bitcoin. Much less disruption than new privacy/security/anonymity focused companies who were early Bitcoin adopters replacing old institutions, but much more likely to actually work. Kind of the equivalent of NYT becoming a major website for news, rather…

I don't really think this is a problem, though. The point of bitcoin is not to distrupt businesses, it is to disrupt traditional currencies. That traditional businesses are accepting it is a sign of good, not bad.

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Sort of starting to feel like all the crappy Bitcoin-specific businesses are about to get replaced by their "normal" equivalents who will just suddenly start taking Bitcoin. Much less disruption than new privacy/security/anonymity focused companies who were early Bitcoin adopters replacing old institutions, but much more likely to actually work. Kind of the equivalent of NYT becoming a major website for news, rather…

I don't really think this is a problem, though. The point of bitcoin is not to distrupt businesses, it is to disrupt traditional currencies. That traditional businesses are accepting it is a sign of good, not bad.

I agree that it's a sign of maturity and success for Bitcoin itself; it's just not a great sign for people who invested in Bitcoin-specific businesses.

A great position right now would probably be "products and services to help service providers integrate bitcoin into their core products". Simple merchant integration is one thing, but more in-depth integrations would be interesting.

Re: Square Market Accepts Bitcoin

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Merchants don't need to expose themselves to FX risk to accept Bitcoin. Square does that for you, as do Coinbase, Bitpay, and similar companies. I don't think the tax issues will be prohibitively complicated for consumers. Whichever exchange someone uses to buy Bitcoin and whatever app they use the spend it can easily generate the necessary paperwork. The companies have hundreds of millions of dollars on the line tha…

> Merchants don't need to expose themselves to FX risk to accept Bitcoin. Square does that for you, as do Coinbase, Bitpay, and similar companies. Allowing your payment provider to handle currency conversion for you does not mean that you have eliminated FX risk. You have simply outsourced it, and you (and in many cases your buyer) almost always pay for this. > I don't think the tax issues will be prohibitively compl…

Having to treat it as a stock or a commodity makes it a bad currency, but it was already a bad currency due to volatility. Using a currency that has major deflation is just as silly as using one that has major inflation.

A currency's utility is directly linked at how many people use it as a unit of account, and it's really hard to become people's real unit of account when your value changes a lot, and is unpredictable. Just look at Argentina during the crisis: Even when taxes in the country were paid in pesos, people really used the US dollar as their unit of account.

Re: Square Market Accepts Bitcoin

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Does anyone have an opinion on why the price of Bitcoin doesn't seem to move on news like this? It seems significant in my opinion and I would think that wider acceptance would lead to a higher price, but that hasn't been the case over the past few weeks / announcements.

If anything the price should go down. When people buy things with bitcoins they are effectively selling bitcoins transitively driving the price down. If you want the price go up there have to be incentives to buy stuff with bitcoins such as lower prices. For many people it is cheaper to use bitcoins because they bought-in early, but that would be equivalent of cashing out their position and exposing their identity to…

Well, unlike most currencies or commodities bitcoin can be traded at volume for currencies outside of a monitored environment. This means using bitcoins in a trisection does not effect the trading price, and people could trade in 'dark pools' or face to face for amounts significantly above or below the current 'market value' while having no effect on the market price at all.

Even if it where tracked people buying things with bitcoin can just as easily drive the prices up as down. As with all transactions you must take into account the value of both sides of the transaction.

Re: Square Market Accepts Bitcoin

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What's the reason for this? Is it part of Coinbase's payment integration? I don't recall any other websites doing this (although there's the possibility that I simply haven't used other sites that also do this)

There are a couple of reasons, actually. This will be a short version of something I'm still in the process of writing, so consider this very high level, broad strokes. Consider "Coinbase" a stand-in for any service like it. I also know that lots of Bitcoin enthusiasts won't agree with me, and that's fine. The most important one is that merchants generally want USD, not BTC. Instant Exchange is a really important fea…

Very interesting analysis. I'm in the process myself of spinning up a saas with multiple forms of payment. However, my UX basis for bitcoin would be something like gyft which uses bitpay. These transactions are instantaneous and directly from the users wallet (any wallet). That seems to me to be the standard of service at this point. I'm missing the advantage then of using coinbase. I only see it limiting potential audience which seems rather counter to the idea of accepting bitcoin in the first place.

Re: Square Market Accepts Bitcoin

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Does anyone have an opinion on why the price of Bitcoin doesn't seem to move on news like this? It seems significant in my opinion and I would think that wider acceptance would lead to a higher price, but that hasn't been the case over the past few weeks / announcements.

It seems to be following a repeating pattern. * Bitcoin builds infrastructure. * People notice bitcoin isn't going away * Media says Bitcoin will make everyone Gazillionairres * Bitcoin skyrockets until infrastructure comes under strain. * Something involved with bitcoin breaks * Media(not neccisarrily the same media) says Bitcoin is all over, and everybody will lose their bitoin, their home, and their dog. * Price d…

> * Bitcoin skyrockets until infrastructure comes under strain.

Source? Unless you consider the failure of Mt. Gox an "infrastructure" problem, then this is not the case.

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post #63

Does anyone have an opinion on why the price of Bitcoin doesn't seem to move on news like this? It seems significant in my opinion and I would think that wider acceptance would lead to a higher price, but that hasn't been the case over the past few weeks / announcements.

It seems to be following a repeating pattern. * Bitcoin builds infrastructure. * People notice bitcoin isn't going away * Media says Bitcoin will make everyone Gazillionairres * Bitcoin skyrockets until infrastructure comes under strain. * Something involved with bitcoin breaks * Media(not neccisarrily the same media) says Bitcoin is all over, and everybody will lose their bitoin, their home, and their dog. * Price d…

You miss many elements with this summary, not the least of which is Bitcoin reaching a point of maturity with regards to regulation and compliance. To a large extent, that's happening next week in DC.
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