Kinda adorable how people keep arguing back and forth, but fail to take notes on how the actual Moz employees act or think on it. And most of them think he is entitled to his beliefs and acts, and he should not be banished for it, even if they do not agree with him. Please, try to learn this approach, pro-gay activists. http://bholley.wordpress.com/2014/03/31/on-brendan-eich-and-... https://staktrace.com/spout/entry.…
OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox
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#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You don't know Brendan, I don't know Brendan, nobody in previous threads comparing him to fucking racists or the Nazis knows Brendan. I know Brendan. I met him on a number of occasions while working at Mozilla and interacted with him on many more. I think the comparison to racism is completely valid. I don't think he's a bad guy (he was always quite cordial with me) but his actions caused harm to a large number of…
What actions did he take besides donating $1,000 to Prop 8?
What other actions does he need to take? Passing prop 8 harmed people.
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Opposing gay marriage [1] is a sign of bigotry and hate, by that fact alone. It's akin to excusing white supremacists in the 1950's for segregating blacks and whites and underfunding black schools because their opinions were religiously motivated (and most claimed a religion as one of the reasons--children of Ham, and all that) and because they ignorantly believed blacks were inherently intellectually inferior. Nope,…
Opposing gay marriage isn't always linked to bigotry. I oppose ALL state-sanctioned unions because I don't believe it's the state's business to say who can and cannot be in an official relationship (hetero, homo, or all the poly/group unions). As long as the people consent, why does the state need to approve? Considering marriage is a non-binding contract (no fault divorce), the contract isn't worth the paper it's pr…
Eich didn't give $1000 to an anti-state-marriage proposition, he gave to an anti-same-sex-marriage proposition.
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That's not really irony. It's generally okay to have a self-referential asterisk in rules like; Tolerance, except for intolerance. Free will, except where it impedes that of another. Peace & good will, except where you're about to punch me in the face. Etc. When people argue inconsistency in those cases, it's usually sophistry. That's not to defend okcupid's tactics in this case. I'm just saying that it's not really…
It's definitely an example of hypocrisy. To put it in prison terms, OKC is pursuing punishment rather than rehabilitation. If you're really about bringing people together and love , then you should be promoting trying to change peoples' minds to make them more inclusive, not blocking them altogether. Being hateful back at them simply reinforces their beliefs, and gives them a martyrdom story to pass on to like-minded…
Our most brilliant scientists have recently discovered that the word "love" has multiple overlapping definitions. Strange but true.
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#315Why doesn't OkCupid take a bolder stance and remove all JavaScript from their site? Brendan invented it. I guess that wouldn't be convenient. Better to ask users to inconvenience themselves. This really isn't fair to all of the people who have worked so hard to make Firefox what it is today.
Because there is no trivially replaceable substitute for JavaScript in the site construction, as there is for the browser.
Heh. Just the other day at work I joked that people might get so upset at this that they organize and deploy a better JavaScript substitute for every possible use case.
One can hope ...
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The JVM, the CLR, Flash, NaCL -- all of these already exist with browser implementations yet are having traction issues. On top of that, it is unlikely Eich controls JS to the same level as FF, so it'd be a mostly pointless gesture. It'd be like finding out John McCarthy was a vile person, and abandoning all LISP-like languages.
it's a little stronger than that, in my opinion. I think it would be like finding out if the CEO of Microsoft didn't want blacks to be able to get married. Would you expect blacks to continue using Windows? Imagine you were gay. Would you want to use Firefox and JavaScript? I'm a big fan of JS. I'm straight and it's somewhat distasteful to me now. If I were gay, I think that feeling would be very strong.
William Shockley held some opinions a lot of people would dislike. No one is ditching the transistor.
Darwin thought blacks were quite inferior and not as evolved. No one is discounting the theory of evolution.
It'd be like ditching XMLHttpRequest because someone at MS was racist - it's simply not going to happen.
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Reducing it to a "hot button issue" is invalid. As far as human rights goes, there's no rational way to arrive at same-sex marriages not being allowed, if heterosex marriages are. Whereas in the US, gun ownership is enshrined in the constitution, so even if gun ownership was a major net negative, it'd still be an issue. Just like in some countries, complete bank secrecy is a constitutional issue, so even giving the l…
> there's no rational way to arrive at same-sex marriages not being allowed, if heterosex marriages are // There are plenty of rational ways to do that. I'm guessing you'd primarily disagree with the axioms on which they're founded. How about "state recognition of marriage is primarily about supporting the family unit as the nucleus of society - as same-sex union can't create children, long-term partnerships engender…
There is no requirement that legal marriage between a man and a woman involve child-raising. There is no requirement that legal marriage between a man and a woman involve love or sex.
If Albert, Barbara, and Charles go to San Francisco City Hall in 2008, and Albert says "I want to marry Charles", he's told no. If he says "I want to marry Barbara", he's told yes. The state knows nothing about their sex life or feelings about children. What is the rationale?
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What actions did he take besides donating $1,000 to Prop 8?
What other actions does he need to take? Passing prop 8 harmed people.
I didn't mean to imply otherwise: the phrasing of but his actions caused harm to a large number of people led me to believe there was something else that occurred of which I was unaware.
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Again: Believing that marriage can only be between a man and a woman, because marriage has a religious connotation to them, is not bigotry. It's a stupid fucking belief, and it leads to seperate but equal bullshit, but it's not homophobic on its own.
Except all marriages are civil marriages - and the government has to treat all equally. that is all. Your church, temple, or mosque can be as exclusionary and ignorant as they want to be. that's fine, and protected free speech. But the government shouldn't give rights to some and not all (inheritance, consent, tax breaks etc).
Marriage and civil unions embody the same legal rights in the US (at least, in the states that they were created so far), at issue is some people beliefs that marriage as in institution should not be changed. And I don't agree with that, "seperate but equal" is personally unacceptable to me.
I'm just trying to explain what his (assumed) beliefs are, and pointing out that his donation and beliefs shouldn't automatically label him as "anti-gay."
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It's good to know we can set aside our moral values when convenience is at stake.
The point is to make a statement and educate users. Not cut off your nose to spite your face.
Or in this case, to have your users cut of their collective noses to spite their collective faces.