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Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by baddox »

sliverstorm wrote: post #164
dmazin wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. There are actions which should be applied to oppressors and not the oppressed. Publicly embarrassing bigots is necessary to show that such beliefs will not be socially accepted; public embarrassment of minority groups is hatred. Just a disclaimer: I fully support discrimination against bigots such as refusal of service.

So it's ok only when done to the people you don't like.

That's how it works for the vast majority of people, who believe that moral truths exist as real attributes of humans or the Universe. Their own morals are right, and all other morals are wrong.

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Post by redthrowaway »

sliverstorm wrote: post #130
dmazin wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue I, and I think others, have with this appointment is what the appointment implies: in a world where many hateful people hold power, yet another hateful person should hold power (in, of all places, an organization seemingly rooted in progress).

But if we discriminate against him purely on the basis of his beliefs (and not his actions on the job), we are no better than he. (If his personal beliefs do pollute his work then do as you will, run the guy out of town on a rail if you must)

He materially supported a campaign to deny rights to a subset of the population. That action, not belief.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by honksillet »

davidgerard wrote: post #17
honksillet wrote: post #6

This is petulant and abrasive. Eich's personal politic's is only tangentially related to OkCupid business and not at all related to Mozilla's business. Also it should be obvious that Eich != Mozilla. It is very off-putting to have a company bludgeon it's user with the personal politics of it's runners.

This is how people outside Mozilla feel about the issue. If you want to call serious concern about human rights "petulant and abrasive", then it is possible your own business may suffer.

Threatening people's business doesn't promote civil discourse, it stifles it.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by fleitz »

dmazin wrote: post #146
eaurouge wrote: post #136

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Why do you say his beliefs are hateful? And, is a person's beliefs/opinion constant and permanent or do they change over time? Here's what Elton John had to say in 2008 (his views have since changed); from HuffPo [1]: "We have a civil partnership," he said, talking about he and longtime partner, David Furnish. "What is wrong with Proposition 8 is that they went for marriage. Marriage is going to put a lot of people o…

I say his beliefs are hateful because I believe it is hateful to say that different regulations should be applied to people based on how they were born, or how they choose to behave when that behavior is a personal decision not affecting others . There are exceptions here and there, such as helmet and seatbelt laws, but I'm really talking about lifestyle choices.

Aren't helmet and seatbelt laws the perfect example of behavior that is a personal decision not affecting others?

Seriously, what isn't a lifestyle choice? I don't get it...

If I prefer unpasturized milk, isn't that a lifestyle choice? If I want to smoke pot, isn't that a lifestyle choice? If I don't want to wear a seatbelt, isn't that a lifestyle choice?

Couldn't the statists just fuck off and let people make simple decisions like who they want to bump genetalia with, or what kind of milk to drink, or even gasp whether to wear a helmet or not?

The highly ironic thing is that in my jurisdiction we force people into marriage whether they like it or not automatically. That said we're forcing gay people to get married too so at least it's across the board imposition of non-consensual relationships.

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Post by waterlesscloud »

hkphooey wrote: post #253
waterlesscloud wrote: post #196

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My anecdotal experience has been that the older generations of gay men haven't cared a lot about gay marriage as an issue. Civil unions give them what they needed legally, and "marriage" as a concept separate from that didn't mean much to them. I'm completely theorizing as to why, but it's a topic I've discussed with many of them and thought about some on my own. The following impressions apply to older gay men I've…

In Britain today, there is a millionaire gay couple who are suing the Church of England because they want to have a wedding in a church. Is this about symbolism, acceptance or poking a finger in the eye of Christians?

Church weddings are always about symbolism.

Church weddings are a different thing than gay marriage, though. My personal opinion is that anyone who wants one should have one. But at the same time, churches have to have the right to discriminate on memberships and services. I don't think they should refuse gay marriages, but if they choose to do so, that is in fact their right.

Church Of England is its own special beast, and probably shouldn't be allowed to refuse gay weddings. Messy topic, but that's what you get for mixing church and state.

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Post by jebblue »

webwright wrote: post #243
intslack wrote: post #156

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More likely his (assumed) belief that marriage can only be between a man and a woman stems from ignorance and his religion instead of bigotry or hate. And while that doesn't negate the harm that his donation caused: please stop comparing him to racists. You don't know Brendan, I don't know Brendan, nobody in previous threads comparing him to fucking racists or the Nazis knows Brendan. It's disgusting, please stop. >S…

Is a racist hateful? My grandmother was a racist and was a really good/kind women who dedicated much of her life to helping others (including people of color). She didn't treat other races hatefully, but she did have warped beliefs about other races- "stemming from ignorance and her religion instead of bigotry or hate" (your words). I didn't compare him to nazis, skinheads, or other violent/hateful racists. You shoul…

Not sure what religion you're referring to, I'm aware you were using the parent's words but you were using them. So what religion do you think influenced your grandmother to be racist?

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by fleitz »

redthrowaway wrote: post #262
sliverstorm wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But if we discriminate against him purely on the basis of his beliefs (and not his actions on the job), we are no better than he. (If his personal beliefs do pollute his work then do as you will, run the guy out of town on a rail if you must)

He materially supported a campaign to deny rights to a subset of the population. That action, not belief.

You may want to look into the principles of common and natural law...

Pretty much every law in the common law system, including the constitution, is a law that denies rights to subsets of the population.

The only question is whether you are in favor of such regulation. I'm personally not in favor of regulating homosexuality or marriage.

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

jrs99 wrote: post #89
davidgerard wrote: post #36

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They released it too late. If they had ANY clue, they'd have thought of this ahead of time. e.g. Brendan donates $2k or $5k to a gay charity requiring a public record (as the Prop 8 donation did) three months ago, someone notices two months ago, he can then stay as gnomic as he likes. Something like that. But, y’know, literally nobody in the upper echelons of Mozilla thought of this. That neither Eich or the board th…

it's EXTREMELY bizarre that they would not have seriously thought of it. Unless they all share the same opinions as Eich and they feel that being against gay marriage is like being against anchovies on your pizza. Then it would never have hit them that this was a serious problem.

Is it right to not employ someone because of their legally held beliefs with regard to sexual behaviour?

Is HN [amongst others] calling for all people who disagree with legislation on homosexual relationships being called marriage to forfeit their rights to employment; or perhaps all those that consider homosexual sexual activity to be wrong? That seems like the logical conclusion here.

Is this going to be continued with all beliefs - ousting those that disprove of drunkennes or drug taking or polygamy or adultery?

Why should a company pry in to an employee's private beliefs and associations in the way you're suggesting?

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Post by adl »

gocarsno wrote: post #34
rosser wrote: post #24

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I don't know much about Eich, but I don't think he was working to make same-sex relationships illegal He's on record as having made a fairly substantial donation to the Prop 8 campaign. That may not be "Fred Phelps" — let alone "Uganda" — levels of anti-marriage-equality, but it's close enough for my purposes.

Then I'd say you either don't know how tragic the situation in Uganda is, or you have no sense of proportion.

Baby steps, you have to start somewhere. (You know, the "First they came for the same sex marriage...", and all that).

Re: OkCupid urges users to abandon Firefox

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Post by tempestn »

septerr wrote: post #202

When I read the title of this post, I first thought 'Oh okCupid's website breaks in FF and instead of fixing the site, they are asking their users to switch to another browser'. Then the comments here completely threw me off. Took some digging to figure out what the real issue was. The okcupid link in the title (at least on mobile) just goes to their login page, no message about ditching FF there.

Can you save others that digging by saying what the real issue was?

Edit: Here, this explains it: http://techcrunch.com/2014/03/31/okcupid-offers-firefox-visi...

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