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New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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When I was in elementary school, much of the playground was built out of old car, truck, and tractor tires. There were conventional swings and slides, but there was also a tractor-tire tower to defend, a couple of car-tire geodesic-sphere-like structures, and other such wonders but the jewel was TireTown, a fortress built out of tires with tire bridges connecting to two smaller structures. TireTown was easily two met…

This sounds exactly like my elementary school playground in Alberta (so much so I had to wonder if we went to the same school, but then I imagine there were photostated plans for getting a playground up quick with old tires and chains that made the rounds in those days). Everything in Canada has gotten way too safe. In Germany however, they've still got a lot of downright expressionist playgrounds. This ladder I witnessed the other day for instance.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkBRTfXIIAAXWH3.jpg

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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post #3

This is my favorite quote from the article: “I’ve been the principal who’s stood there and said ‘Oy, kid! Get off your bike! You’ve got to walk your bike!’ Then I’d go away and think ‘Why the hell did I say that?’”

As a teacher in an after-school program myself, I find myself thinking this or something similar nearly every day.

What upsets me is that more often than not, the answer to "Why the hell did I say that?" is not the children's safety, it's that it's what I'm expected to say or that I want to look responsible around other teachers or parents.

The fact is, a principal is in a far better position than a teacher to change a school's culture, and indeed, a cultural shift is what is necessary for kids to have greater freedom on playgrounds. As a teacher, I have to weigh not only what I value (kids' freedom and developing understanding of social/physical interactions) but also what the school (administration and other teachers) and parents value.

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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post #32

In London, Parkour Generations runs kids parkour classes ( http://parkourgenerations.com/class?classtype=youth ). While they do have dedicated gyms most of the classes are still run outside, in keeping with the general philosophy of parkour. A lot of what is taught in these classes is not specific physical techniques but instead how to be aware of your own limits, how to push your limits safely and how to deal with f…

I've been trying to get into parkour for the last couple of years. Just to understand the moves.

But it's different from just letting kids run amok. A parkour class actively teaches you the progressions, how to safely bail etc. Not sure I want to remove all the rules. But I definitely agree that kids should be exposed to dangerous situations.

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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> “Of course a child is not allowed to kill another child,” Mr. McLachlan said. “One of the rules I said facetiously is kids aren’t allowed to hurt other people. But in fact they are. … If you hurt somebody in a game where you are playing hard, or a boxing match or a stone-throwing competition, for me it’s absolutely fine — as long as the other person was willing to get hurt.” This is a very interesting article but i…

Eh, there's a certain logic to saying 'boys are going to beat each other. Supervise it and let them vent it in a controlled manner and it's better for all'.

We didn't have boxing, but teachers realised pretty early on that boys were going to play tackle rugby at lunch time, since from about grade 6 onwards it was offered as an extracurricular sport. The idea was that the kids and teachers reached an agreement that they'd let us play it if a teacher (usally one of the coaches of the school teams) was present to referee it and make sure we did it safely. It was a pretty good, common-sense solution to something that was going to happen anyway, so they instead went with risk-minimisation.

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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post #23

Man... I'm only 23, and I grew up in New Zealand. This is really cool, but I think the parents are the main factor that needs to be dealt with regarding this general idea. When I was 8, my dad and I built a wood + iron motorised go-kart, and then I drove it all around ours (and the next-door neighbours) property. I crashed hard, broke my arm... and it was awesome . I'm still into high-octane risk-taking fun (I'm curr…

> I think learning risk-management is a key thing that kids are missing.

I agree completely. Call it 'common sense', 'street smarts,' whatever. It's having the nous to think through what you're about to do and judge whether you're at risk of ending up in trouble, and it starts with learning the hard way that the branch you're about to stand on to climb up the tree is woefully rotted and is about to give way under you. You can't teach this stuff in classrooms, either. It's really something that has to be learned through running across a slippery piece of ground and falling over.

I still remember back when I was 6, I was playing soccer in the school grounds with other kids at lunchtime and went to slide tackle some kid. Turns out he jumped, and I didn't realise until it was too late that there were big wooden plank hurdles right behind him. I slid into them and split my eyebrow open pretty decently (I still have a patch of no eyebrow from the scar, 2 decades later).

When the school first aid room called my mum to have her come and get me, she told them that she was busy at work and I'd have to wait a bit. She knew I was alive and not going to get any worse and so knew it wasn't an emergency. Kids get hurt, it's what happens.

The other cool thing was that we had quite a bit of bushland on the school grounds and the children were allowed to play in it. We ended up forming fiefdoms and building forts and having little mock wars. It is fascinating to look back at because on top of the flagrant OH&S issues it'd raise (kids stabbing and beating each other with sticks), there was a huge political aspect to it all. Every year, you'd work out which teacher had a classroom clock that was slightly ahead of the rest, and therefore would get out to lunch slightly sooner. Those kids would be super valuable as they'd be able to run to the forts and protect their own / sabotage others freely, before the reinforcements arrived. There was serious negotiation and political power play going on amongst kids and it would've no doubt made a bunch of child development PhDs happy had they known about it.

It's hard to quantify, but I am sure that the exposure to this sort of playground environment had undoubtably a huge role in my upbringing and subsequent approach to risk and risk management in life. As such, I've been fascinated by the OP's study for a bit now and I am really glad it's being done. A lot of people talk about the problems with bubble-wrapping children these days and it's going to be good to see if it is an actual phenomenon instead of just rose-coloured reminiscence.

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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This reminds me of this article in The Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/2014/03/hey-pare... We might finally have some reversion from this awful "safety" obsessed parenting trend.

Great article. A key quote that the editors highlight: “Reasonable risks are essential for children’s healthy development." As a teacher, I want kids to ask questions, explore, and inquire in the classroom. Why shouldn't this extend to physical and social exploration on the playground? It strikes me that in most Western culture, we reward risktaking behaviors in academic and business environments, so why should we devalue it in in childhood recreational environments?

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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post #37

This reminds me of something related. I don't force my children to wear helmets when they ride their bikes. When we are out, people yell at me "Where's their helmet dad?". These are the same type of people who force the removal of swing sets at the parks in my area.

I would, because I've seen what happens when kids fall off their bikes and hit their heads on the pavement. :(

Agreed. IMO helmets are one of those treatments against a low-likelihood, high-consequence risk. The treatment also comes at very little inconvenience, so it's a no-brianer (pun not intended) to choose to do so.

Banning kids from riding bikes around cars? I can understand why that's considered a bit too overprotective, but helmets to me seem like a common-sense method of resolving a significant risk with insignificant inconvenience.

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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post #45
post #23

Man... I'm only 23, and I grew up in New Zealand. This is really cool, but I think the parents are the main factor that needs to be dealt with regarding this general idea. When I was 8, my dad and I built a wood + iron motorised go-kart, and then I drove it all around ours (and the next-door neighbours) property. I crashed hard, broke my arm... and it was awesome . I'm still into high-octane risk-taking fun (I'm curr…

> I think learning risk-management is a key thing that kids are missing. I agree completely. Call it 'common sense', 'street smarts,' whatever. It's having the nous to think through what you're about to do and judge whether you're at risk of ending up in trouble, and it starts with learning the hard way that the branch you're about to stand on to climb up the tree is woefully rotted and is about to give way under you…

Mock wars: Yes! We did the same, to the point where we had diplomats and assasins, and it spread across through class-time as well. It even started my entrepreneruial spirit: I packaged up and sold "ammo" (rubber bands set up for maximum power and a small "gun" to shoot them from, tagged with a colour for your team) haha. Of course, that was very much a no-no (you'll get hit in the eye and go blind!) but it was amazingly fun and I'm pretty sure helped us understand tactics far better by applying them in the real world ;)

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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post #40
post #37

This reminds me of something related. I don't force my children to wear helmets when they ride their bikes. When we are out, people yell at me "Where's their helmet dad?". These are the same type of people who force the removal of swing sets at the parks in my area.

I would, because I've seen what happens when kids fall off their bikes and hit their heads on the pavement. :(

Yeah, look I agree with the general sentiment of letting kids take risk and learn responsibility, but my two small kids (who do skateboarding, BMX racing, surfing, rugby and a lot of general "rumbling") are NOT allowed to ride without helmets and I wear one too. I survived not having one as a kid (nobody did then), but I wear one too now, and seriously the upside/downside equation here is a no-brainer.

Other than that - let 'em at it!

Re: New Zealand school tossed its playground rules

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would, because I've seen what happens when kids fall off their bikes and hit their heads on the pavement. :(

Yeah, look I agree with the general sentiment of letting kids take risk and learn responsibility, but my two small kids (who do skateboarding, BMX racing, surfing, rugby and a lot of general "rumbling") are NOT allowed to ride without helmets and I wear one too. I survived not having one as a kid (nobody did then), but I wear one too now, and seriously the upside/downside equation here is a no-brainer. Other than tha…

Keep in mind, my kids are riding with me walking right next to them. They are still using training wheels.
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