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Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by grkvlt »

bane wrote: post #62
jader201 wrote: post #9

> Beyond our core community, we expected it would be positive. > If you actually understand [Facebook’s] vision of letting us be who we’re going to be, just like they wanted to let Instagram be who they are. The reason people don't get this -- or at least, why I don't get it -- and thus responded negatively, is because VR should have nothing to do with Facebook's vision, and Facebook -- or social gaming in general --…

> It's hard for many to see anything under the umbrella of Facebook doing a service to gaming -- look at the direction social gaming has taken us. Yes, look at social gaming. At least inside the retrogaming communities, people who take a very long view of gaming, social gaming is not well loved. It's seen as a shackle not a new experience by and large. Even among new games, Skyrim and GTA V are hugely popular even th…

> Getting dozens of spams a day from your "friends" to play this or that shallow psychological-reward hack social game on Facebook

So, much like the responses to '2048' here on HN, and among members of its community? And, seeing how highly voted those posts and comments were, I assumed that wasn't seen as a bad thing?

> social gaming is not well loved. [...] Even among new games, Skyrim and GTA V are hugely popular even though the experience is mostly single player.

Do you mean un-popular here? Or among new gamers not games? Not sure...

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by bane »

vinceguidry wrote: post #156
bane wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Absolutely. I wouldn't even look back. I have plenty of other things to occupy my time that isn't work. Painting, writing, photography, music, and the list goes on forever. Freed of the daily grind I would nothing but things I expect no return on simply for the pleasure of it. I'd probably even give away the output of those activities for nothing.

What if you wanted to do something bigger? Like, say, design a next-generation VR platform?

Why is that bigger? I can already instantaneously communicate with whomever I wish anywhere on or near the planet...cheaply or for essentially free.

To play games? I love gaming as much as the next guy, but at the end of the day it's just a toy.

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by bane »

nightski wrote: post #178
rfrey wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, I am sorry that your interests are so narrow. Maybe you should do something about that? I couldn't imagine a life where there was only one thing available that would fulfill me.

Who said my interests were narrow? I enjoy a multitude of hobbies including hiking, biking, homebrewing, reading, cooking/grilling, etc... I just said that it is a shame you do not enjoy your daily work (i.e. the grind as you call it).

So if you had a billion dollars sloshing around in your bank account...and you could do the things that interested you the most, it would be having a job to go to?

I'm not knocking that, I know lots of people who hit retirement and literally don't know what to do with themselves. So work gives their day structure and meaning. I'm not one of those people. For me, work gets in the way of what I want to do.

I personally cannot conceive of a job, working for any company (my own included) or any other person or group of people, that I'd rather do than those things.

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by bane »

grkvlt wrote: post #181
bane wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's hard for many to see anything under the umbrella of Facebook doing a service to gaming -- look at the direction social gaming has taken us. Yes, look at social gaming. At least inside the retrogaming communities, people who take a very long view of gaming, social gaming is not well loved. It's seen as a shackle not a new experience by and large. Even among new games, Skyrim and GTA V are hugely popular even th…

> Getting dozens of spams a day from your "friends" to play this or that shallow psychological-reward hack social game on Facebook So, much like the responses to '2048' here on HN, and among members of its community? And, seeing how highly voted those posts and comments were, I assumed that wasn't seen as a bad thing? > social gaming is not well loved. [...] Even among new games, Skyrim and GTA V are hugely popular e…

I'm glad that the 2048 craze has petered off a bit. But social gaming is the same thing essentially. It hits, involves lots of people, then the next hit comes around and everybody is off to the new thing.

"new games" vs. "older games"

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by bane »

corysama wrote: post #113
SixSigma wrote: post #83

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How will you do a face to face interaction when you are both wearing VR goggles ?

You and I can be in different locations. But, with the goggles on, we can be face to face inside VR.

Looking at some avatar that distinctly isn't you I presume?

Because a video (no matter how good) of you wearing a pair of displays on your face is decidedly not as good as just video chatting.

What specific experience is benefited by communicating in this way over just video or voice chat?

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by vinceguidry »

bane wrote: post #182
vinceguidry wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What if you wanted to do something bigger? Like, say, design a next-generation VR platform?

Why is that bigger? I can already instantaneously communicate with whomever I wish anywhere on or near the planet...cheaply or for essentially free. To play games? I love gaming as much as the next guy, but at the end of the day it's just a toy.

It's bigger because it requires more than your own efforts. One person can draw, paint, make music all they want and never have to interact with others at all, and these were the sorts of things you were saying you'd do in retirement.

But you couldn't move to Malta and make a next-generation VR platform. You'd need funding, facilities, people to take care of managing these things. That's what I meant by bigger.

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by bane »

wiremine wrote: post #75
jader201 wrote: post #9

> Beyond our core community, we expected it would be positive. > If you actually understand [Facebook’s] vision of letting us be who we’re going to be, just like they wanted to let Instagram be who they are. The reason people don't get this -- or at least, why I don't get it -- and thus responded negatively, is because VR should have nothing to do with Facebook's vision, and Facebook -- or social gaming in general --…

> The reason people don't get this -- or at least, why I don't get it -- and thus responded negatively, is because VR should have nothing to do with Facebook's vision, and Facebook -- or social gaming in general -- should have nothing to do with Oculus' vision. Honest question: why shouldn't VR be in Facebook's vision? _Someone_ is going to create a Google Hangouts-style product that incorporates VR. I'm not excited…

There's no reason. The problem with the acquisition is that FB could have been just one virtual experience among thousands for OVR, now it's likely to be the only one.

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by nightski »

bane wrote: post #183
nightski wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who said my interests were narrow? I enjoy a multitude of hobbies including hiking, biking, homebrewing, reading, cooking/grilling, etc... I just said that it is a shame you do not enjoy your daily work (i.e. the grind as you call it).

So if you had a billion dollars sloshing around in your bank account...and you could do the things that interested you the most , it would be having a job to go to? I'm not knocking that, I know lots of people who hit retirement and literally don't know what to do with themselves. So work gives their day structure and meaning. I'm not one of those people. For me, work gets in the way of what I want to do. I personall…

First of all, I don't have a job. I run my own consulting business that does very well. I don't think I could ever have a job working for someone else ever again.

That is my entire point, that I keep getting downvoted on like it even matters. That what I do today is the same thing that I would do if I had a billion dollars. That is I'd be working in technology (specifically software). I might use that money to build ideas faster but it really is what I am the most passionate about.

I feel it is the same for the Occulus Rift guys at the moment.

Because if you aren't passionate about what you spend your daily life doing (and consider it a grind) what is the point?

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by bane »

vinceguidry wrote: post #186
bane wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that bigger? I can already instantaneously communicate with whomever I wish anywhere on or near the planet...cheaply or for essentially free. To play games? I love gaming as much as the next guy, but at the end of the day it's just a toy.

It's bigger because it requires more than your own efforts. One person can draw, paint, make music all they want and never have to interact with others at all, and these were the sorts of things you were saying you'd do in retirement. But you couldn't move to Malta and make a next-generation VR platform. You'd need funding, facilities, people to take care of managing these things. That's what I meant by bigger.

Ahh, bigger as in "involves more people" rather than bigger as in "moral crusade to change humanity".

Yeah, no thanks. Once I get the construction crew out of my retirement home, I'd like to deal with as few people as humanly possible. I don't even like the social interaction of dealing with cashiers, I love the self service lines.

If I hit on a retirement hobby that requires more people, I'm sure I'll always just be able to just form a company and hire people to do the work with my swimming pool full of money.

Re: Oculus Says They Didn't Expect Such Negative Reactions to Selling to Facebook

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Post by bane »

nightski wrote: post #188
bane wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if you had a billion dollars sloshing around in your bank account...and you could do the things that interested you the most , it would be having a job to go to? I'm not knocking that, I know lots of people who hit retirement and literally don't know what to do with themselves. So work gives their day structure and meaning. I'm not one of those people. For me, work gets in the way of what I want to do. I personall…

First of all, I don't have a job. I run my own consulting business that does very well. I don't think I could ever have a job working for someone else ever again. That is my entire point, that I keep getting downvoted on like it even matters. That what I do today is the same thing that I would do if I had a billion dollars. That is I'd be working in technology (specifically software). I might use that money to build…

I'm not going to make any value judgment on how much fulfillment you get out of working for your customers.

But you're getting downvoted probably because you don't understand that, as a consultant, you have a job, and you work for your customers.

Everybody who does work has a boss of some sort.

If being a consultant is what you'd be happy to do in perpetuity, even in lieu of retirement, more power to you.

The OR guys also now have a master. Facebook. Ultimately, their reporting chain is to Zuck and then to the board and then to the FB shareholders. They might feel really passionate about what they're doing, but it's not like they don't have jobs.

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