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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by thinkersilver »

rumdz wrote: post #57
scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

As soon as Elementary OS Isis comes out :).

Currently on 13.10 at home, 12.10 at work desktop, 12.04 on servers. I feel no need yet to upgrade my desktop and my servers. All my previous upgrades had been motivated by better config tools and installers or new software. All these issues have dealt with by earlier releases. I think the distro is no longer the conduit for delivering new software and 14.04 doesn't bring any compelling upgrades outside of Unity tweaks, which I don't use. I'm going to wait this one out.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by bretthoerner »

kawsper wrote: post #54
scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

I am currently on 13.04, I can't wait to upgrade to a newer version where this bug in Beanstalkd is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beanstalkd/+bug/12... I think I will upgrade when it is available on Linode.

Why wouldn't you build a newer package for 13.04, or try using the trusty package on it? I can't imagine waiting for a new OS release every time I needed a newer package.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by jedicoffee »

kawsper wrote: post #54
scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

I am currently on 13.04, I can't wait to upgrade to a newer version where this bug in Beanstalkd is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beanstalkd/+bug/12... I think I will upgrade when it is available on Linode.

Just do-release-upgrade and you can have it now man!

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by 1ris »

Pacabel wrote: post #26
1ris wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can confirm this. Installing Xubuntu quantal took me almost a day and I had to do it more or less manually. If i had used debootstrap right from the start it would have been a way easier. The installer crashed multiple times at different steps. The offical installer image does not even boot, but crashes right away, and you find yourself in the initrd busybox shell. There is no way to use it unless you have solid li…

After running into such problems with it so quickly, why did you continue to try to use it? Problems of that sort were understandable in 1995, when Linux and the few distributions available at the time were still relatively immature. They were even understandable in the very early 2000s, when hardware support sometimes wasn't great. But these days, there's really no excuse for a lack of quality like you're describing…

Because I had the Linux knowledge. But for the average user, that (x)ubuntu aims at, this is a unsolvable problem.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by ausjke »

I already moved all my servers to Debian, have not decided when I should do the same on the Desktop side yet, I don't really care about games/MIR/smart-UI-decision-made-for-me/one-GUI-does-all-screens etc, all I need is vim and a browser, with newer tested packages installed underneath for development.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by thescrewdriver »

jfoster wrote: post #75
retube wrote: post #64

Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific . 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don'…

Why would you use Ubuntu if you think Unity is ridiculous? That's like getting a Mac and saying that Apple should drop OS X. It's very clear that Unity isn't for everyone, but I don't understand why people who know it's not for them seem to still want to use Ubuntu.

Because like many others (including me) he used Ubuntu for years until unity came along?

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by leaveyou »

zanny wrote: post #85
leaveyou wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8gigs of RAM :) ? in my experience not a single byte over 4GB RAM matters in linux desktop. I have (Ubuntu 13.10 on an old sonny vaio core 2 duo) 4GB and with all the workspace open and a virtual box with 1.5GB RAM allocated to it, i didn't reach 3GB (it stays around 2.7-2.8GB).

I have 16GB. And I have managed to use all of that, with a combination of calligra + blender + around 5 vms in virtualbox + 3 containers + background compiler update operations + 3 web browsers open all with a total of around 100 tabs at the same time. I find it is just quality of life. If I use 4gigs, I can only have 2 real memory intensive applications open at the same time. If I had 8+, I could easily have anythin…

true. if you use it it's worthy (and you seem to have a good return on investment).

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by bryanlarsen »

kawsper wrote: post #54
scanr wrote: post #46

I'm using 12.04 LTS quite extensively. For folk in a similar situation, how long are you thinking of waiting before switching to 14.04 LTS?

I am currently on 13.04, I can't wait to upgrade to a newer version where this bug in Beanstalkd is fixed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beanstalkd/+bug/12... I think I will upgrade when it is available on Linode.

We're using http://mirrors.us.kernel.org/ubuntu//pool/universe/b/beansta..., which installs fine on 12.04

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by slgeorge »

retube wrote: post #89
jfoster wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you use Ubuntu if you think Unity is ridiculous? That's like getting a Mac and saying that Apple should drop OS X. It's very clear that Unity isn't for everyone, but I don't understand why people who know it's not for them seem to still want to use Ubuntu.

Because, despite my complaints above, it has the best hardware support, the best knowledge base, the largest community of users and it's pretty trivial to switch to another desktop.

You don't like Unity and you are an advanced user who can change the set-up to match your needs. I think that's good and it means the default DE doesn't even impact you. But I don't think you can extrapolate from your personal use-case to what is best for all the users (ie replace Unity).

It's like a racing driver saying that a Ford Focus doesn't handle corners the way they like it. Guess what they are probably right - but car is designed for the majority of users and wouldn't as usable for them if you set it up to suit the 1% that are racing car drivers.

As an aside, you do realise that Ubuntu has the best "hardware support" because we ship on the most OEM's. It's the shipping millions of units a year that ensures that the supply chain cares about Desktop Linux - Intel, Nvidia, Broadcom etc aren't charities. And, we ship on the most OEM's because we have the largest set of 'general users' - and Unity works for them.

ps I work for Canonical but this is my personal opinion.

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