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Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by eddieroger »

retube wrote: post #64

Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific . 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don'…

I don't care for Unity either, but I believe that Ubuntu believes (and I agree with) that Unity is what will help them close Bug #1. If the dream of a phone that is also a computer comes true, and that dream forces me to use Unity, I'll learn to cope with it, just like I learned to cope with Gnome once.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by davidgerard »

Toshiba Portege R830-13C, Intel HD Graphics 3000. Minecraft, running in Xubuntu 14.04 on openjdk 7.51, is having graphics problems that it didn't in 13.10. (No, I haven't filed a bug yet, yes I should ...)

Anyone else running Minecraft on Intel HD Graphics 3000? In 14.04 or otherwise.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by zanny »

yulaow wrote: post #69
JanezStupar wrote: post #9

I would use this magnificent milestone to raise my hand and ask... Nvidia, where are my native Linux Optimus drivers?

THAT'S the problem I had since years of asking and bashing on the nvidia support forum. And that's why, when a mate asks me which laptop to buy to use with linux, I ever suggest not to buy one with a nvidia gpu because even with bumblebee the user experience is shit.

Meanwhile, any combination of intel / AMD discrete / integrated parts I find works (usually) flawlessly, if you use PRIME (and are using the foss drivers). I've been working on a plasma widget for a while to just drop applications on a launcher area to run them on your second gpu if PRIME is enabled.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by JanezStupar »

rufugee wrote: post #72
JanezStupar wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Awesome, after almost two years of owning my computer the newest feature is that it still crashses on suspend/resume. Use Linux they said, your computer will stop crashing they said... I'm not touching any Nvidia driver until shit starts working. But thanks for update! Appreciated a lot.

I recently switched to Fedora 20, and my Optimus is working well there with the nouveau drivers...

Nouveau has absolutely no Optimus support.

You are actually saying that Intel 4000 is working well in Fedora 20 :D

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by zanny »

leaveyou wrote: post #77
skriticos2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running 12.04 with I7 Ivy Bridge HD4000 too and have no performance issues. Maybe it's op's hard drive? I'm running the system on an SSD and it's a night and day difference to the rotating equivalents.

8gigs of RAM :) ? in my experience not a single byte over 4GB RAM matters in linux desktop. I have (Ubuntu 13.10 on an old sonny vaio core 2 duo) 4GB and with all the workspace open and a virtual box with 1.5GB RAM allocated to it, i didn't reach 3GB (it stays around 2.7-2.8GB).

I have 16GB. And I have managed to use all of that, with a combination of calligra + blender + around 5 vms in virtualbox + 3 containers + background compiler update operations + 3 web browsers open all with a total of around 100 tabs at the same time.

I find it is just quality of life. If I use 4gigs, I can only have 2 real memory intensive applications open at the same time. If I had 8+, I could easily have anything I want open in normal usage and not break a sweat.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by zanny »

vanderZwan wrote: post #58
skriticos2 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm running 12.04 with I7 Ivy Bridge HD4000 too and have no performance issues. Maybe it's op's hard drive? I'm running the system on an SSD and it's a night and day difference to the rotating equivalents.

Also SSD, and 8 gigs of RAM in case that might matter. It's probably just that Lubuntu is my only reference point - it's so lightweight plain Ubuntu feels laggy in comparison. Doesn't make me any less happy with the increase in responsiveness though :)

I've been using KDE for years, but have been testing out the various 14.04 desktops to see how they are doing, and I don't know if love bloat or something but if my windows don't have animated resizing, minimizing, and maximizing the jerky behavior just seems so 90s to me.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by JanezStupar »

arunc wrote: post #73
owaislone wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Things I would like: >>> 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific . 1) They continue to not listen to you. :)

KDE is a sane switch. Completely customizable.

I concur.

While I actually like Unity and after during 13.x series Unity stopped working for me I ended up on KDE.

Thus far I have been able to costomize it to a level where it beats any other desktop environment I have used so far.

Only beef I have with it is inability to set windows key as launcher shortcut. But alt+r works reasonably well.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by zanny »

JanezStupar wrote: post #44
tormeh wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

apt-get install nvidia-319-updates That's where they are. The drivers crash on suspend/resume, so you need the ctrl-alt-backspace combo to kill X but otherwise it's OK. Newer versions are better, but they're not included in the official repo yet.

Awesome, after almost two years of owning my computer the newest feature is that it still crashses on suspend/resume. Use Linux they said, your computer will stop crashing they said... I'm not touching any Nvidia driver until shit starts working. But thanks for update! Appreciated a lot.

Well, a lot of us Linux neckbeards advocate free software, and Nvidia's blob is anything but...

I'm having a lot of good results from AMD and Intel on Mesa. The modern AMD GPU lineup is finally almost up to snuff and performing really well, Intels stuff has always been rock solid, so I could never recommend Nvidia to anyone using Linux again, unless you need OGL 4+ functionality.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by retube »

jfoster wrote: post #75
retube wrote: post #64

Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific . 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don'…

Why would you use Ubuntu if you think Unity is ridiculous? That's like getting a Mac and saying that Apple should drop OS X. It's very clear that Unity isn't for everyone, but I don't understand why people who know it's not for them seem to still want to use Ubuntu.

Because, despite my complaints above, it has the best hardware support, the best knowledge base, the largest community of users and it's pretty trivial to switch to another desktop.

Re: Ubuntu 14.04 LTS (Trusty Tahr) Final Beta released

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Post by chez17 »

jfoster wrote: post #75
retube wrote: post #64

Things I would like: 1) drop the ridiculous Unity desktop. maybe I am old and out of touch, but that was horrific . 2) Dual boot just works with UEFI/Windows 8.1 3) Supports audio and graphics hardware in common brands like Acer I have 9 installed on a samsung since 2009 and it's been an absolute pleasure, just worked. Trying to get 12 or 13 onto a modern Acer however... was a nightmare. V disappointing. I still don'…

Why would you use Ubuntu if you think Unity is ridiculous? That's like getting a Mac and saying that Apple should drop OS X. It's very clear that Unity isn't for everyone, but I don't understand why people who know it's not for them seem to still want to use Ubuntu.

One of the benefits of Linux is it's easy to customize. I like to install Ubuntu and the first thing I do is get rid of Unity. I prefer i3. I still benefit from the vast amount of repositories and the large community Ubuntu has. Unity is not necessary to benefit from Ubuntu, in fact, I think it holds Ubuntu back.
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