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Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by dublinben »

frade33 wrote: post #78

Question of the day! I am not supporting Turkish Govt here, nor I have any concern with this country. If a classified video is made live on a Turkish Video website, would US Govt block it or not? or Do you approve of releasing classified videos or calls?., because according to my understanding regardless of the content of those videos or calls, they are in violation of 'privacy' and perhaps are classified too.? I am…

The US government practices pretty much no direct censorship of the internet. You can read about the number of laws that have been struck down, and the handful of cases where domains/servers have been seized:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_the_Uni...

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by bayesianhorse »

cinquemb wrote: post #56
yread wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they already started following the plan: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/turkey-shoots-d...

Makes you wonder, if everything had gone to the original plan in syria already, nat gas pipelines would be headed to europe by now and the IMF wouldn't bother with the gazprom bill to russia… Also interesting how there has been very little action about the blackouts from the State Dept talking heads (beyond the toothless shaming), if this had been a country not doing the bidding of tptb we would probably hear of sanc…

Are you suggesting that a "western conspiracy" was responsible for the turmoil in Syria? That their people did not have serious grievances with a regime that tortured and murdered tens of thousands of people for political reasons even before the current conflict started?

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Post by MimiZ »

They can't cover up their corruption.

It's like the whole world is watching...how could they be so stupid.

What are they going to do next? Block Google? Apparently they top the list of "government requests that request content removal": http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-tops-google-content-...

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Post by [deleted] »

owenjones wrote: post #90
evv wrote: post #80

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You're right- the internet isn't magic. There is a natural law at play here, and you just mentioned it! Information does want to be free- its not just a slogan, its a universal law. There is no practical way for a corrupt government to constrain the flow of information in this day and age.

What about North Korea? I think that's still just a slogan.

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Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by [deleted] »

Angostura wrote: post #88
toyg wrote: post #20

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Yeah, like US and UK populations voted out their chief warmongers pronto, once it came out that the rationale for getting into the Iraq war was fabricated... oh wait

I think there's a bit of a difference between a fairly length debate about the extent to which statements about weapons of mass destruction were 'sexed up', where the government position is eventually discredited and a Youtube recording of government ministers conspiring to start a war.

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Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by chalst »

sliverstorm wrote: post #75
arbitrage wrote: post #42

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It was interesting when we saw governments attempt it last time, too. And then they stopped, because they were overthrown. I wonder if this is going to be a law, now ... a government that attempts to dismantle the internet a piece at a time in their country is going to fail.

We'll see. Turkey seems to be more stable. Do we have any reason to believe the Turkish government will certainly be overthrown, aside from the affront to our collective geek prides?

The Turkish military sees itself as the guardian of the Kemalist constitution and is unhappy with Erdogan.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_Turkish_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

Rising conflicts between popular groups would, if they seriously undermined Erdogan's claim to be in command of the country, provide a pretext for a coup.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by happyscrappy »

ewood wrote: post #23
cryoshon wrote: post #12

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It's pretty ghastly that people are willing to fabricate rationale for getting into war. I really hope that the Turks dispose of their leaders expediently and forcefully.

Well the odds are probably against it. The re-election of Bush in 2004 is one of the most recent instances I can think of where an electorate was more concerned about stability of their country than fabrication of a war. If the majority of the Turkish people are like most western populations they will put their heads down and vote conservatively because they feel threatened by events surrounding them, even if that th…

I am not so sure. Kerry was a terrible candidate, the virtual definition of a limousine liberal. Also as the BBC said, he is a serial message bungler, although Bush was not that much better. Someone like Obama could have won in 2004.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by TeMPOraL »

sliverstorm wrote: post #77
nine_k wrote: post #48

The Internet was designed to withstand damage due to nuclear warfare and other external disruptions. It apparently was not designed to reliably withstand serious attacks of malicious third parties controlling some segments of it. Time to adapt.

External disruption != internal disruption

Also, infrastructural damage (like caused by a nuke) != ongoing activities by sentient and adapting enemy.
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