Turkish government takes down YouTube too

Post by guard-of-terra » Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 4:42 PM UTC

toyg wrote: post #65

TeMPOraL wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it does "route around damage", but there's a difference between an infrastructure damage (be it a denial of service, or a tactical nuclear strike) and a continuous, intentional action of a sentient adversary. Unfortunately, conflating those two concepts is a common mistake when designing or thinking about systems.

TBH it's mostly about the fact that the "route around damage" really applies only to a very small stack. What does the browser do, to "route around damage"? What does a DNS client do? Very little, if anything. They were not built to "route around damage", they were built to do client/server.

Post by ngcazz » Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 4:45 PM UTC

Joeboy wrote: post #51

arbitrage wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was interesting when we saw governments attempt it last time, too. And then they stopped, because they were overthrown. I wonder if this is going to be a law, now ... a government that attempts to dismantle the internet a piece at a time in their country is going to fail.

This reminds me of the "information wants to be free" and "the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" slogans of yesteryear. The internet isn't magic. There is no natural law that means it will always emerge victorious.

Post by sliverstorm » Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 4:50 PM UTC

arbitrage wrote: post #42

ljd wrote: post #7

It's interesting to see a country dismantle internet access site by site. It challenges our notions of what we think will always be there. If your site has a dependency on YouTube, your site isn't going to be functioning in Turkey. It's like Netflix's Chaos Monkey [0], but in real life. [0] http://techblog.netflix.com/2012/07/chaos-monkey-released-in...

It was interesting when we saw governments attempt it last time, too. And then they stopped, because they were overthrown. I wonder if this is going to be a law, now ... a government that attempts to dismantle the internet a piece at a time in their country is going to fail.

Post by sliverstorm » Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 4:51 PM UTC

nine_k wrote: post #48

The Internet was designed to withstand damage due to nuclear warfare and other external disruptions. It apparently was not designed to reliably withstand serious attacks of malicious third parties controlling some segments of it. Time to adapt.

Post by sliverstorm » Thu, Mar 27, 2014, 4:54 PM UTC

cryoshon wrote: post #12

_pgpz wrote: post #3

After Twitter, this was expected. Just couple of hours ago, leaked audio recordings were uploaded to Youtube which show "Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, National Intelligence Organization (MİT) Undersecretary Hakan Fidan, Foreign Ministry Undersecretary Feridun Sinirlioğlu and Deputy Chief of General Staff Gen. Yaşar Güler are heard discussing possible intervention into Syria and possible reactions from the world"…

It's pretty ghastly that people are willing to fabricate rationale for getting into war. I really hope that the Turks dispose of their leaders expediently and forcefully.