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Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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And also on Unity (if you're into that).

And also on KDE. Wait, is Windows the only one not to have that implemented?

Arguably Windows doesn't need to implement this because alt-tab is already a window switcher and not an app switcher.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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I currently have several hundred tabs open in more than a dozen Firefox windows. This is not a typical use case. I do periodically see people leaving comments which claim that they usually have the entire World Wide Web open simultaneously, but not often enough for it to be a use case worth optimizing for.

Look up OneTab, it improved my quality of browsing the web x100+

Onetab basically refuses to load all previous tabs when you open the browser. By default, Firefox doesn't open old tabs until you move to them. Firefox also offers tab groups by default as well. Most importantly, Firefox uses only around half as much memory as chrome and (in my use) seems to be more responsive with lots of tabs open.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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One of the best news for Gnome is their (updated/clarified) stance on portability, that I found linked in the section for developers[d] linked from the actual release notes[r]: http://blogs.gnome.org/desrt/2014/02/19/on-portability/ "GNOME is not “Linux-only” and it never should be. People are running GNOME on FreeBSD, OpenBSD and very many other non-GNU/Linux systems. People are running GNOME on GNU/Linux systems th…

Those are encouraging words, but what do they mean in practice? E.g. are they reverting the changes that had gnome's login manager depending on systemd?

I read it like the intention is to introduce comparability layers for certain "rough" APIs such as logind, and have Gnome depend on those, rather than eg: "just" logind.

I've yet been able to track down any recent comment from the bsd side of things (I don't follow the bsd-dev lists) -- so I'm not sure what the schedule is like.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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The problem with Manjaro package staggering is that it's based on fortune. The Manjaro team as far as I know does not maintain any packages not specific to Manjaro. After using Manjaro on my laptop for the better part of a year and running into lots of stability issues over the last few months, I think that the criticism about "aging packages like wine" is valid. I could deal with significant breakage in Xfce for a w…

The main problem with fedora is that yum sucks so badly. It's absurdly slow and the interface is goofy. What's up with needing a separate tool like repoquery? Also, why is it necessary to update the kernel twice a week? And why isn't VirtualBox a core package?

Yum seems a little faster than apt-get/aptitude to me. Do you have the yum cache enabled? Yum normally downloads its package lists for every command, but you can make it cache the package list like apt-get does.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself. The fact that they break (and some are let to rotten) after every major release is just to beat a dead body. Just a few weeks ago I tried Gnome 3 again (again!) and it still sucks as a productivity environment. I have better things to do. But as a geek, I'll be checking Gnome 3 again maybe in a year or more. No h…

> Just the fact that people need a ton of shell extensions to make it barely usable is a problem in itself Other than 'native window placement' I find that pretty much every extension I have installed is a customisation where I want something to work in a particular way. It's not that Gnome is unusable by default, it's just more the minimal set of features that everyone uses. For example, including a time tracker on…

And that is being worked on: https://wiki.gnome.org/Events/Hackfests/WestCoastSummit2014

We have an entire stack showing up to fix things in the right places not just in GNOME itself.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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I think GNOME3 is breaking *nix philosophy: do one thing and do it well; to be highly configurable. You have freedom to use compiz in GNOME2, but not in 3. There are a lot of good GTK2 themes but gitg and d-feet have hard-coded styles so only default GNOME3 theme will look sane. Super+p is somewhat hard-coded and you cannot customize it ... and there are more annoying issues. I am happy that mate-desktop is still ali…

No the difference is that GNOME is moving towards a 'product'. Everything is designed to work together, to be consistent everywhere. When you mix and match, you just get medicority because none of them were designed to work together at all. I would not call that even a Unix philosophy, it's just something that happened organically.

Doing what GNOME is doing is hard. Making hard choices on what to keep and what not. Fixing the things in the other parts of the stack instead of band aiding it in their own.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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Looks great. I've been extremely happy with Gnome UI after switching from OSX. It's fun being able to play with a desktop that is constantly improving on a rolling-release platforms like Arch Linux, where new updates stream in constantly. Instead of having to wait a year or more for big waterfall releases like OSX (Mavericks was also pretty disappointing). My only complaint is how every gnome upgrade the majority of…

Another happy Arch user here. I hope people stop harping on the GNOME team, at this point it should be clear to some end users that the gnome-shell interface has come together. 3.8 and 3.10 are beautiful once you install extensions the act of which could not be easier and browsing new extensions is kind of fun. The dev team has had terrible communication problems and I get pissed off when they remove stuff like trans…

GNOME has a continuous build system now, you can get images in cow2 format every day!

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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No change they made ever had consequences as dire as when they removed transparency from GNOME Terminal. Never forget.

It's sad, but I've switched to xterm

a strange switch, xterm doesn't have transparency eitiher and as far as correctness goes, gnome-terminal is very correct compared to others. So I have no idea why you would switch to xterm.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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The main problem with fedora is that yum sucks so badly. It's absurdly slow and the interface is goofy. What's up with needing a separate tool like repoquery? Also, why is it necessary to update the kernel twice a week? And why isn't VirtualBox a core package?

Yum seems a little faster than apt-get/aptitude to me. Do you have the yum cache enabled? Yum normally downloads its package lists for every command, but you can make it cache the package list like apt-get does.

Even using the cache it's annoyingly slow compared to Arch's pacman. Various repoquery commands take near a minute to run whereas pacman is instantaneous. I'd guess the Python and SQLite approach are to blame.

Re: Gnome 3.12 Released

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I think these updates are available for everyone, I just don't think ubuntu is going to do it for you until a later release.

Not just Ubuntu; it's not even close to being packaged for debian-testing yet. ( http://www.0d.be/debian/debian-gnome-3.12-status.html )

Damn, they need to hurry up on that ^-^
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