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Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by dragonwriter »

digitalengineer wrote: post #70
jann wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm very sorry but I really don't like that argument. That doesn't make it any less ghastly for others to be like that as well. The argument you bring seems similar to what people say about the Crimea-Crisis (that 'the west' isn't allowed to complain because of Bosnia). Just because 'the west' interfered illegally in Bosnia, doesn't give Russia a free pass to do so as well.

Doesn't the us have the Monroe doctrine? It allows for the invasion of foreign country's when the us feels threatened right?

> Doesn't the us have the Monroe doctrine?

Not really. The particular concern about limiting future expansion of European colonialism at its center (inasfar as the part of it that might justify US action is concerned) hasn't really been a concern really since the early 20th Century, though the name was dusted off by some (misleadingly) in the Cold War for applications of the Kennedy Doctrine within the Western Hemisphere, and the doctrine was explicitly described as being dead by Secretary of State John Kerry last year.

> It allows for the invasion of foreign country's when the us feels threatened right?

Not as actually articulated by Monroe (in fact, if the country was in Europe, its specifically negated some justifications for involvement).

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by theverse »

jann wrote: post #28
theverse wrote: post #15

Google's live traffic stats for Youtube: http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/traffic/explorer/?r...

Not very 'live' ... The latest data I can retrieve is from the 23rd of March

If you skip to the very end, you can see data from March 27. Not significantly low volume though. http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/traffic/explorer/?r...

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by selimthegrim »

ljd wrote: post #7

It's interesting to see a country dismantle internet access site by site. It challenges our notions of what we think will always be there. If your site has a dependency on YouTube, your site isn't going to be functioning in Turkey. It's like Netflix's Chaos Monkey [0], but in real life. [0] http://techblog.netflix.com/2012/07/chaos-monkey-released-in...

Somebody needs to do a redub of that zenga zenga video to whatever "site by site" is in Turkish.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by orik »

frade33 wrote: post #78

Question of the day! I am not supporting Turkish Govt here, nor I have any concern with this country. If a classified video is made live on a Turkish Video website, would US Govt block it or not? or Do you approve of releasing classified videos or calls?., because according to my understanding regardless of the content of those videos or calls, they are in violation of 'privacy' and perhaps are classified too.? I am…

I don't believe the US Gov would do more than a DCMA takedown request.

Wikileaks hasn't been taken down.

If someone did have a recording of a Classified Video/Call I guess it would be up to their discretion to leak or not to leak.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by DickingAround »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #59
DickingAround wrote: post #14

Blocking social media sites and expecting it to reduce tension is like turning off TV & radio broadcasting and expecting people to remain in their homes; it's a failure to understand modern systems of control. Orwell doesn't work at all. Huxley is your only hope Turkey :P

Orwell does work, North Korea and Cuba are examples of that. But you can't create an Orwellian police state over night, and those sorts of oppressive regimes tend to be unstable (Libya, East Germany, Romania, etc. all gone now).

Fair point, good examples. Agree with stability issues.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by frade33 »

orik wrote: post #84
frade33 wrote: post #78

Question of the day! I am not supporting Turkish Govt here, nor I have any concern with this country. If a classified video is made live on a Turkish Video website, would US Govt block it or not? or Do you approve of releasing classified videos or calls?., because according to my understanding regardless of the content of those videos or calls, they are in violation of 'privacy' and perhaps are classified too.? I am…

I don't believe the US Gov would do more than a DCMA takedown request. Wikileaks hasn't been taken down. If someone did have a recording of a Classified Video/Call I guess it would be up to their discretion to leak or not to leak.

That's a fair answer.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by VMG »

sliverstorm wrote: post #75
arbitrage wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was interesting when we saw governments attempt it last time, too. And then they stopped, because they were overthrown. I wonder if this is going to be a law, now ... a government that attempts to dismantle the internet a piece at a time in their country is going to fail.

We'll see. Turkey seems to be more stable. Do we have any reason to believe the Turkish government will certainly be overthrown, aside from the affront to our collective geek prides?

Twitter, Youtube (and Facebook) are beyond the geeks now. One could argue that today the most passionate users are non-geeks.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by Angostura »

toyg wrote: post #20
cryoshon wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty ghastly that people are willing to fabricate rationale for getting into war. I really hope that the Turks dispose of their leaders expediently and forcefully.

Yeah, like US and UK populations voted out their chief warmongers pronto, once it came out that the rationale for getting into the Iraq war was fabricated... oh wait

I think there's a bit of a difference between a fairly length debate about the extent to which statements about weapons of mass destruction were 'sexed up', where the government position is eventually discredited and a Youtube recording of government ministers conspiring to start a war.

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by zmanian »

icebraining wrote: post #44
zmanian wrote: post #34

It is amazing the DNS system lasted this long. Turkey seems ready to push over this house of cards. Hopefully a namecoin type system will rise from the ashes. Trust without cryptography is dead.

For this kind of censorship, namecoin wouldn't have helped. Turkey could've just watched the namecoin blockchain and update their IP blacklist directly from it.

IP blacklisting is not as appealing to governments as DNS blocking because of virtual hosts. The collateral damage from breaking DNS is bad enough. IP blocking runs the risk of breaking essential economic services.

It is possible for governments to invest in session interruption like what China does is possible.

Layering trustworthy DNS, ubiquitous SSL and Tor

Re: Turkish government takes down YouTube too

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Post by owenjones »

evv wrote: post #80
Joeboy wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of the "information wants to be free" and "the internet interprets censorship as damage and routes around it" slogans of yesteryear. The internet isn't magic. There is no natural law that means it will always emerge victorious.

You're right- the internet isn't magic. There is a natural law at play here, and you just mentioned it! Information does want to be free- its not just a slogan, its a universal law. There is no practical way for a corrupt government to constrain the flow of information in this day and age.

What about North Korea?

I think that's still just a slogan.

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