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Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by _delirium »

Locke1689 wrote: post #95
Lewisham wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I work on the Cloud SQL team, but everything here is a completely my own FWIW, the Google products that are subject to the deprecation policy [1] will give a year's heads-up before they are shut down. We aren't doing our job well enough if you can't easily transition off Cloud Platform (at least for the components that have obvious competitors... something like BigQuery is necessarily less simple). You sh…

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you or this is just a culture mismatch, but are you serious about the one year warning? For context, the Windows Server 2008 R2 Lifecycle has mainstream support dedication from 2009-2015. The extended support date is 2020 .

The Windows Server lifecycle comparison is interesting, but makes me curious about what Azure does, as a more apples-to-apples comparison. Is there some kind of guarantee of what notice you'd get before major changes or deprecation to services? I can't find one explicitly in some quick searching.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#102

Post by notatallcorrect »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #22

I didn't see the automatic price reduction for AppEngine. Did I just miss that?

From the Google announcement, regarding AppEngine: "We've lowered pricing for instance-hours by 37.5%, dedicated memcache by 50% and Datastore writes by 33%. In addition, many services, including SNI SSL and PageSpeed are now offered to all applications at no extra cost."

Pricing is here: https://cloud.google.com/products/app-engine/#pricing

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#103

Post by joe3barrera »

joebar wrote: post #87
salimmadjd wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This announcement make me even trust Google less. First GAE was one price. We attended Google I/O session and learned about the virtues of fully using BigTable, so we wrote our application to be tightly integrated into GAE (stupid mistake). Then GAE got a 10X (1000% percent) price increase. Effectively removing the service if you based your business on the initial pricing structure. Now, google is talking about Moore…

I would not touch this with a 10-foot pole. A few weeks ago Larry Page was asked about "putting the user first" at TGIF. His solution to this problem is to go mobile only and dedicate 80% of the company's resources to mobile (at the expense of everything else) Do you think Google is going to care about things like this with there new strategy? If you're business depends on any cloud provider do yourself a favor and g…

"joebar" -- I don't know who the fuck you are, but you're not joebar@google.com, I am. Who are you really?

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#104

Post by ChuckMcM »

jedberg wrote: post #90
ChuckMcM wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very interesting, this doesn't match my experience, can you say more about how you reason to the claim that Google created a separate 'infrastructure business entity' ?

It's not reasoning per se, I've actually talked to both Google and Amazon about it. :)

I get Amazon, and I've seen copies of the purported Bezos 'everyting must be a platform' missive, but when I joined the Google platforms group in 2006 and talked with Urs Hoezle about why all this infrastructure for search, we had a lot of interesting and far ranging discussions but he never said "Oh and we're going to rent this stuff out for money too!" Until the original AppEngine project, and that got a lot of push back and discussion inside Google about 'outside stuff' breaking out of the sandbox and into the Google infrastructure, providing outside access was generally viewed (in Urs' organization at least) as dangerous at best for very little value.

The Great Recession hit, Google stopped building infrastructure for a time and focused on utilization, which lead to some awesome improvements in cgroups and i/o scheduling and such, and only after that and some early successes of both AppEngine and other projects which were kind of like it but much less well publicized, did the idea start to be considered as something Google might actually productize.

I could completely see them building infrastructure at this stage which is purely for rent, they have the recipe for building data centers pretty well baked. But I have never heard it put that they started out with that in mind.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#105

Post by stephenhuey »

salimmadjd wrote: post #81
bcantrill wrote: post #50

Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

This announcement make me even trust Google less. First GAE was one price. We attended Google I/O session and learned about the virtues of fully using BigTable, so we wrote our application to be tightly integrated into GAE (stupid mistake). Then GAE got a 10X (1000% percent) price increase. Effectively removing the service if you based your business on the initial pricing structure. Now, google is talking about Moore…

I was such a big early fan of GAE, but I do remember so many people feeling burned by the pricing change and the terrible customer service. SSL was for me an important missing feature and I got a friend to walk up to one of the GAE guys at SXSW to ask him directly about SSL or SNI, but according to him it wasn't even on their public roadmap in March 2010. I see that Google product guy has long since moved on to Dropbox, but here's hoping Google is getting serious about throwing real weight behind some of these services and they provide great customer service from now on. Reminds me of this Googler's rant about Google's platforms versus Amazon's:

http://pastebin.com/FBbSkp2i

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#106

Post by throw2048 »

gnufied wrote: post #100
joebar wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not touch this with a 10-foot pole. A few weeks ago Larry Page was asked about "putting the user first" at TGIF. His solution to this problem is to go mobile only and dedicate 80% of the company's resources to mobile (at the expense of everything else) Do you think Google is going to care about things like this with there new strategy? If you're business depends on any cloud provider do yourself a favor and g…

Am I odd in seeing a Google engineer discrediting Google's own product?

How do you know he's telling the truth?

Disclaimer: I too work for Google.

2nd Disclaimer: No I don't.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#107

Post by [deleted] »

joebar wrote: post #87
salimmadjd wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This announcement make me even trust Google less. First GAE was one price. We attended Google I/O session and learned about the virtues of fully using BigTable, so we wrote our application to be tightly integrated into GAE (stupid mistake). Then GAE got a 10X (1000% percent) price increase. Effectively removing the service if you based your business on the initial pricing structure. Now, google is talking about Moore…

I would not touch this with a 10-foot pole. A few weeks ago Larry Page was asked about "putting the user first" at TGIF. His solution to this problem is to go mobile only and dedicate 80% of the company's resources to mobile (at the expense of everything else) Do you think Google is going to care about things like this with there new strategy? If you're business depends on any cloud provider do yourself a favor and g…

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Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#108

Post by Locke1689 »

_delirium wrote: post #101
Locke1689 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you or this is just a culture mismatch, but are you serious about the one year warning? For context, the Windows Server 2008 R2 Lifecycle has mainstream support dedication from 2009-2015. The extended support date is 2020 .

The Windows Server lifecycle comparison is interesting, but makes me curious about what Azure does, as a more apples-to-apples comparison. Is there some kind of guarantee of what notice you'd get before major changes or deprecation to services? I can't find one explicitly in some quick searching.

Azure in it's entirety doesn't (1 year notice of changes coming), but Microsoft has a separate "private cloud" IaaS offering, which has a similar lifecycle to server. This is definitely not my area of expertise, but the word I've heard is this is pretty attractive to the big businesses that are most worried about that.

For example, I know a major hospital/research center who has said that they will 100% never let anything onto the public Internet, but are about to clear use of a Microsoft private cloud.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#109

Post by bronson »

gnufied wrote: post #100
joebar wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not touch this with a 10-foot pole. A few weeks ago Larry Page was asked about "putting the user first" at TGIF. His solution to this problem is to go mobile only and dedicate 80% of the company's resources to mobile (at the expense of everything else) Do you think Google is going to care about things like this with there new strategy? If you're business depends on any cloud provider do yourself a favor and g…

Am I odd in seeing a Google engineer discrediting Google's own product?

The thread where we question the activities of employees outside their workplace was yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7459529

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

#110

Post by gnufied »

throw2048 wrote: post #106
gnufied wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Am I odd in seeing a Google engineer discrediting Google's own product?

How do you know he's telling the truth? Disclaimer: I too work for Google. 2nd Disclaimer: No I don't.

Sorry, you misunderstand me. I am as skeptical as you. I did not assume the statement as truth. I was just bit bewildered.
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