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Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by bcantrill »

x0x0 wrote: post #58
bcantrill wrote: post #50

Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

I thought I recognized your name; you're the dtrace guy! I know a group of engineers who work on a very high performance (500k ops/second) distributed system running on hundreds of nodes that have an unofficial church of dtrace. It's the debugging tool of choice for when weird shit happens.

That's very rewarding to hear! Fortunately, we in computing seem to have a limitless supply of weird shit -- I still use DTrace every day, and I continue to be surprised (astounded, even!) by the weirdness. By the way, those in the unofficial church of DTrace may also be interested in mdb[1][2], our postmortem debugger -- and the other half of the dynamic duo for weird shit debugging.[3]

[1] http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Debugging-Production-Syst...

[2] http://illumos.org/books/mdb/

[3] http://dtrace.org/guide/chapter37.html

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by rsync »

JustARandomGuy wrote: post #57
bcantrill wrote: post #50

Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

In your opinion, which cloud providers are the most trustworthy? I see you comment about AWS being trustworthy, how do you feel about Azure, Rackspace Cloud, etc?

I know some guys in the cloud storage space ... been doing it since 2001 ... name escapes me ... it's on the tip of my tongue...

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by rsync »

darkarmani wrote: post #72
blantonl wrote: post #35

The Google Storage pricing of $0.026/GB (or $0.020/GB for reduced durability) made my jaw drop. I spend over $6k/month on Amazon S3, and this pricing from Google has me flabbergasted. Our architecture just uses S3 as a pluggable commodity, so a few hours of coding is going to result in a new $4000/month in savings from this announcement. Wow! Edit: misplaced decimal!

As long as you don't need to use the external network with that data. The network costs dominate the price if you need to serve up any of that data.

Yes, what is that price ?

That is, what does 1 GB cost to upload and then store for one month ?

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by geekbri »

TheMagicHorsey wrote: post #73
geekbri wrote: post #55

Maybe I'm the only one but the lack of ability for me to use GCE for a personal server to become familiar with the service is a huge deal. AWS offers a free tier. This let me play with AWS on my own time gratis. I think GCE needs this... unless they have it and I'm just not aware.

I built stuff on Google App Engine for free, for years.

I'm not as concerned with the app engine as I am with the compute engine.

app engine is more like AWS beanstalk where as compute engine is more like ec2?

Maybe I'm wrong here.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by Locke1689 »

Lewisham wrote: post #63
bcantrill wrote: post #50

Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

Disclaimer: I work on the Cloud SQL team, but everything here is a completely my own FWIW, the Google products that are subject to the deprecation policy [1] will give a year's heads-up before they are shut down. We aren't doing our job well enough if you can't easily transition off Cloud Platform (at least for the components that have obvious competitors... something like BigQuery is necessarily less simple). You sh…

I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding you or this is just a culture mismatch, but are you serious about the one year warning?

For context, the Windows Server 2008 R2 Lifecycle has mainstream support dedication from 2009-2015. The extended support date is 2020.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by tburch »

TheMagicHorsey wrote: post #80
phillmv wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you still stuck using their implementation of BigTable? I forget if that's changed. The main benefit of say Heroku is that while migrating away is not trivial, in principle you shouldn't have to rearchitect your app to do it.

You mean Datastore. Yeah. I kinda like Datastore though. Maybe I'm just use to it. The limitations just make sense if you want to scale. They also have a RDBS you can use though ... I've never used it. Still haven't figured out a clean way to do geospatial stuff with Datastore, so that is one big caveat.

I'm not sure what you're doing, but using GeoHashes on GAE worked pretty well for me. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geohash

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by bcantrill »

helper wrote: post #88
JustARandomGuy wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In your opinion, which cloud providers are the most trustworthy? I see you comment about AWS being trustworthy, how do you feel about Azure, Rackspace Cloud, etc?

@bcantrill is the SVP of Engineering at Joyent. I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I'm guessing he would say that Joyent is trustworthy. He would then tell you to use DTrace.

Ha! So, I guess my disclaimers have been made for me. ;)

In terms of trust, I would tell you that trust needs to be earned -- and that it can only be earned one day at a time and that it can be frivolously spent away with a single bad decision. (Trust me that Joyent has learned this the very, very hard way.) So I would say that you should force anyone to earn your trust. That infrastructure is such a trust business is part of why I so fervently believe in open source as a business strategy[1]; companies can change (or be bought) and earned trust violated by a new regime -- but open source can always be forked and its communities liberated from such abrogations.[2]

So while I would (of course!) tell you that Joyent is worthy of your trust (and ask for the opportunity to earn it), I would at the same time say that the open source projects we lead (SmartOS, node.js and -- yes -- DTrace) are the components in which you can have absolute faith.

[1] http://www.slideshare.net/bcantrill/corporate-open-source-an...

[2] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by netcraft »

rsync wrote: post #93
darkarmani wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as you don't need to use the external network with that data. The network costs dominate the price if you need to serve up any of that data.

Yes, what is that price ? That is, what does 1 GB cost to upload and then store for one month ?

https://cloud.google.com/products/cloud-storage/#pricing

Almost all of these services have ingress free, its egress that costs.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by throw2048 »

bcantrill wrote: post #50

Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

This is absolutely infuriating.

Every time someone hijacks a Google announcement thread doom crying about potential shutdown it gets under my skin, especially in this case when these “arguments” are so intellectually bankrupt.

If you are suggesting that GCE or the whole Google Could Platform endeavour is in anyway similar to any of the appendage service or features Google shelved over the years, then that calls into question the adequacy of your critical faculties or any vested interest you may have in undermining their efforts, and leading with a disclaimer doesn't take that option off the table.

The sales-force, dev-rel, and the enormous infrastructure investment isn't something you can honestly compare to a discontinued 20% project: http://www.datacenterknowledge.com/archives/2014/02/03/googl...

There is also the argument that when Google deprecates something you are more likely to hear about it which creates the false impression that they depreciate more stuff or more important stuff than others.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Post by gnufied »

joebar wrote: post #87
salimmadjd wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This announcement make me even trust Google less. First GAE was one price. We attended Google I/O session and learned about the virtues of fully using BigTable, so we wrote our application to be tightly integrated into GAE (stupid mistake). Then GAE got a 10X (1000% percent) price increase. Effectively removing the service if you based your business on the initial pricing structure. Now, google is talking about Moore…

I would not touch this with a 10-foot pole. A few weeks ago Larry Page was asked about "putting the user first" at TGIF. His solution to this problem is to go mobile only and dedicate 80% of the company's resources to mobile (at the expense of everything else) Do you think Google is going to care about things like this with there new strategy? If you're business depends on any cloud provider do yourself a favor and g…

Am I odd in seeing a Google engineer discrediting Google's own product?
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