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Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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> Google and Amazon invested in them for their own businesses and are now productizing the 'remainders' This is a myth. Both companies created their infrastructure businesses as separate entities by leveraging their datacenter expertise, but they were not 'remainders'.

Very interesting, this doesn't match my experience, can you say more about how you reason to the claim that Google created a separate 'infrastructure business entity' ?

Isn't it just common sense? The provisioning / capacity planning for a DC has to be done based on peak usage. The usage patterns of the core business and the hosted customers are almost certainly going to be the same -- there's going to be a trough in the night-time, and a peak in the evening. At the time when people want to buy resources, you'll have no spare resources to sell.

The only way the business model of selling spare resources could work is if you found customers with a different usage pattern to fill the trough. That's hard.

Yes, you can find some customers with time-insensitive batch processing that could be done during the night time. But Google and Amazon already do massive amounts of batch processing, and still won't have a flat utilization level over the day.

Or alternatively you could try to flatten out the diurnal variations by making sure there's no geographic affinity between users and the DCs. But that's suboptimal given intercontinental network latencies.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

This is very much our view. Google products are fine for home and non-critical use, but it's far too risky to rely on them when building something that one expects to have a long lifespan. Unless there's clear money in it for Google's advertising revenue, the chance of it being pulled is too high.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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From @clstokes With today’s Google Cloud price cuts: - an n1-standard-1 on #GCE is $ $35.38/month - an m3.medium on #AWS is $82.72/month

That's not quite a fair comparison. The $35.38 Google price takes advantage of their sustained usage discount, if the instance is running the entire month. The EC2 price is the full rack rate. You can do better with a spot instance, or by paying up front for a 1-year or 3-year reserved instance. It's still a stunning price drop from Google. And from my tests, the Google instances give a lot more performance than the…

There are quite a few cases where you can't or don't want to deal with your instance disappearing at any moment by design (spot) nor with an annual subscription though

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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From @clstokes With today’s Google Cloud price cuts: - an n1-standard-1 on #GCE is $ $35.38/month - an m3.medium on #AWS is $82.72/month

Digital Ocean is still cheaper. Amazing how competition works.

And OVH (Kimsufi) is still cheaper than DO (Amazing how ...).

However AWS and GCE are not the same service at all, if you're comparing/deciding between the two based on price you're doing it wrong.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Maybe I'm the only one but the lack of ability for me to use GCE for a personal server to become familiar with the service is a huge deal.

AWS offers a free tier. This let me play with AWS on my own time gratis. I think GCE needs this... unless they have it and I'm just not aware.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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I run goread (http://goread.io) on App Engine. Doing the math by hand, I'll get a 25% reduction in costs. This comes from cost reduction of instance hours and datastore writes, and free SSL and datastore small ops. I didn't get the advertised 30% because my largest single cost is datastore storage, which didn't drop. I'm happy with how this all went.

I saw another comment asking about app engine pricing. It is priced based on many different usages: instance hours (where instances are automatically added and removed by app engine itself), writes, reads, and storage to their NoSQL datastore (far and away its best feature, which no other provider in the world offers). They charged small amounts for other things, too. I was paying $9/month for SSL and other small one-offs. This new pricing basically eliminated all the other one-offs, making them free. It reduced the number of kinds of things that are billed. Before the datastore had 3 pricing tiers depending on the operation. They made the cheapest free and the other two the same price (reducing the price of the more expensive). Overall things got much simpler and cheaper.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

In your opinion, which cloud providers are the most trustworthy? I see you comment about AWS being trustworthy, how do you feel about Azure, Rackspace Cloud, etc?

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

I thought I recognized your name; you're the dtrace guy!

I know a group of engineers who work on a very high performance (500k ops/second) distributed system running on hundreds of nodes that have an unofficial church of dtrace. It's the debugging tool of choice for when weird shit happens.

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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Full disclosure: I work for a competitor to both GCE and AWS. tl;dr: Until the fundamental issue of trust is addressed, customers will applaud the price drops only because they look forward to AWS responding in kind, not because they plan to actually deploy on GCE. In my experience, GCE has not been a factor in the public cloud market to date. They seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding in that they (apparently)…

do we really need to see a post like this for every submission on a Google service? It seems pretty obvious GCE is fundamentally different than something like Reader/Wave, both consumer products (not platforms), given away for free, and very far from Google's main focus (cloud computing)

they are obviously putting incredible resources into GCE - comparing that to some of their consumer app experiments is just ridiculous

Re: Google Announces Massive Price Drops for Cloud Computing Services, Storage

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The Google Storage pricing of $0.026/GB (or $0.020/GB for reduced durability) made my jaw drop. I spend over $6k/month on Amazon S3, and this pricing from Google has me flabbergasted. Our architecture just uses S3 as a pluggable commodity, so a few hours of coding is going to result in a new $4000/month in savings from this announcement. Wow! Edit: misplaced decimal!

Your prices are off by an order of magnitude (correct prices are $0.026/GB and $0.020/GB), and the latter is "Durable Reduced Availability" [1] not "Reduced Durability". It is availability, not durability, that is reduced.

[1] https://developers.google.com/storage/docs/durable-reduced-a...

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