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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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You've also been here for almost 4 years. So that would be nearly a year of being treated like a second class citizen. I agree with the parent that this would stifle participation by newer users.

The majority of it was from a tiny number of comments and submissions in a small amount of time.

This makes it even worse. You will never reach 1000 karma unless you are lucky to hit the karma lottery with a big post.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#592

Sounds good in theory, the best communities are almost always those that are strictly moderated or have their rules heavily enforced. It will probably make HN worse though. HN already suffers from being too much of a "rich, startup boys club". This will only get worse as those that have been around longer and made comments that "fit" within that viewpoint get karma and get to decide what comments are shown.

I would suggest that this is a fine time for those of us with unfinished HN clones and visions of disrupting the whatever to try and see if we can do better, although the network effect around HN would seem to suggest that most people will simply put up with it or leave for reddit or another larger site.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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I am afraid that the bias of the "1000+ club" will silence many comment authors whose views and opinions are substantially different. The result is you will have a smaller community, the member of which are in agreement with each other, so there will be less interesting discussions, and the disagreed ones will flock away, having no chance to be heard here.

I certainly would read the comments less frequently.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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Why wouldn't your comments get endorsed and be seen as much as anyone else's? Have you perhaps misunderstood the karma restriction to mean that people with less karma will have their comments be less visible? That's not the idea.

The problem isn't that I think my comments won't be endorsed. It's more I'll self censor my comments that I think would be less popular because I'd be afraid if I'm censored I wouldn't have a chance to join in future conversations until someone would agree with me. If I release more popular opinions by the majority I'll be instantly accepted and have a chance to further join in conversations. From a gaming perspectiv…

You're missing two important facts: first, that your pending comment eventually (after 24 hours) expires of its own accord, and second, that you can always delete the comment if it's taking too long and holding you up on a better comment you could have written.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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I find this change frustrating. I've been reading and occasionally commenting on HN for 4 years, and I'm still not able to fully participate. I haven't yet reached the magical karma number needed to "earn" the downvote button, so I can't help moderate except by flagging.

Now, with this change, it's extremely unlikely that I will ever achieve the ability to truly participate. It seems that if you want comment quality to improve, then maybe it's a bad idea to even more tightly lock out people like me who would happily downvote bad comments or endorse good ones.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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No. Just no. Reasons: a) it WILL kill off those who want to remain (pseudo/ano)nymous and create throwaway accounts for discussing sensitive stuff (like the multiple "my startup is failing" posts in the last months) b) Sorry, but I (and many others) have actually lives to live and jobs to do. 1000+ karma users are not moderators, and many simply will be too lazy / too occupied to click "endorse" all the time. c) Disc…

Sorry, but I (and many others) have actually lives to live and jobs to do. 1000+ karma users are not moderators, and many simply will be too lazy / too occupied to click "endorse" all the time. Well any site with community based content is going to fail if users don't interact with it. "Endorse" will just be the equivalent of upvoting something if it hasn't already been endorsed. It's not an onerous burden.

Endorse and upvote is one click too much. Especially if its done like the "flag" link which will redirect you and make you lose your focus.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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I'm a bit confused by the wording of your comment. Are you saying that downvoting "is only supposed to be used for unproductive comments" or to show agreement? You use "it," but I can't tell which statement you are referring to.

Here are two PG comments with slightly different takes on downvoting to signal disagreeing: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1006589#up_1006808 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658683#up_658691 My takeaway has been that HN does not have Reddit's "don't downvote people just because you think that they are wrong" rule. Interestingly, PG's observation that people do not tend to downvote people who's comments are…

I've always thought that downvoting was for things that didn't contribute, and for things that were technically wrong (including logical fallacies and similar). However, disagreeing on opinion doesn't strike me as an area (on HN or otherwise) where downvoting makes sense.

So downvoting "1TB of data can easily be uploaded over a 20Mbps connection" (Takes 4.8 days, versus a 20 MegaBytes ps connection, which takes ~14 hours and while not easy, is at least more feasible) -- should be ok. But a comment with correction would normally be better...

Downvoting someone for saying that they prefer working in Eclipse (just because I prefer vim) doesn't seem very useful?

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

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This may be a stupid question but exactly where is the delete link? I see deleted comments, but I don't see a delete link or even a downvote button when comments are downvoted. Is there a karma threshold for these?

In the line of gray text beginning with your username at the top of your comment.

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