" in tech" submissions will probably be interesting to see once this is implemented.
Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
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I think I like this idea quite a bit. I don't know how many users there are with >1000 karma, but will they be motivated to keep endorsing everyone else's pending posts? Sometimes good discussions do happen on quieter threads, or way down the list that the 1000+ users might not see. Well, I guess it really comes down to just how much (proper) endorsing ends up happening. One thing I like about HN is that it's open an…
If endorsing comments too hastily risks the loss of that privilege, but endorsing comments correctly has only a social benefit... I'll try to do my part, but I worry about the tragedy of the commons here. The current incentives may actively discourage endorsements.
I was thinking the same thing. There's currently no known harm for upvoting, so we do it to promote good discussion, despite the fact that there's typically no personal benefit. But if endorsing posts not only provides no personal benefit but also bears the risk of possible harm, people might be too cautious with endorsements for this system to work.
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#503Will everybody be pending or just users <1000 points?
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#504Earlier quoted context omitted.
Correction: it would require all users with over 1000 karma to read the comments of every post to HN. It seems like you are making the assumption that every user reads every post
If a comment isn't seen by many users with over 1000 karma then it isn't seen by many users period, and thus doesn't have much influence anyway.
Can you give us some indication of what % of active users have over 1000 karma?
Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
#505Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…
Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.
So if I write a comment that people don't want to endorse – let's suppose it's actually bad – then it's pending forever and I can never post again?
Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
#506I fear this change will have some unintended consequences: 1. In a Ask/Show HN post, (which is often similar to a reddit AMA), the OP will not be able to reply to clarifications questions until their previous one is 'endorsed'. 2. Multiple ( 2a. Either moderators endorsing multiple such comments, due to race conditions and stale views during moderation, or 2b. Moderators would endorse the first (or "best") of them, a…
What's more, since people with under 1000 karma can't fully participate because unlike high-karma users they can't see if their comment duplicates someone else's and will get stuck in limbo as a result, it's going to be rather difficult for them to reach the 1000 karma threshold - certainly more difficult than it is now.
They'll just keep submitting stories to get to 1,000 karma instead of participating in commenting or be shut out so only old users can talk.
Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
#507Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.
Another idea would be: tie the number of outstanding comments allowed to the user's karma. For those of us in non-US timezones, it would be nice to be able to post a few comments before having to wait while the site isn't getting much traffic. I would say something like 500 karma = 1 extra comment you can make before getting the previous ones endorsed.
Related to this: are there any hourly visit stats available? I currently work nights in the GMT+1 timezone, so I'll probably end up all over this scale (depending if I'm posting from work, or during the day when off...).
This could be some additional meta-info to add to the 'post stories on Mondays'-"rule"...
Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
#508As a long-time lurker but new user, I see little reason to ever even attempt to participate on a forum with moderation rules like this. This may be speculation but I'm guessing many others would make the same cost/benefit analysis.
1000 karma can't be a high bar if someone like me can have over 4000.
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#509In my opinion this is a fix in search of a problem. In reading all comments on a post I see very few "worthless" comments and many of those are grey. Skimming over tit for tat threads happens on an almost subconscious level. Maybe it's just me.
Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments
#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair enough. I would much prefer fixing the long comment thread problem with 5 lines of JavaScript than implementing this bizarre system.
If you have a solution to this particular problem, whether in 5 or 500 lines of JS, I think it would be novel. I've yet to see any discussion forum solve the problem of long threads with lots of useless fluff floating to the top.
Collapsing threads do the job pretty well. And you're always going to get comments that aren't relevant to you, because you're not the only person doing the endorsing. If a comment is useless fluff to you, but gets endorsed by someone else, then you still have a scrolling problem. Not so with collapsable commeents.