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Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#171
What about something like this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wisoy2og4rb4zps/rationalmedium.pdf [mockup]

Key features:

- Different claims are made, and you can discuss them individually (ie. in a separate thread). This thread would have a summary of the key points at the top, so new users can more easily join the conversation.

- There's an open thread.

- There's a thread to discuss tangents.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#172
This is ridiculous. It's bad enough that people are downvoted for contrarian opinions, but now our comments need to be vetted by the elite HN users before they can be shown to the rest.

I don't get it. This site looks like something made in 1996 (with absolutely no regard for readability), but the big new upgrade we're getting is a draconian (and wholly unnecessary) comment moderation feature/policy?

A lot of HN users bitch about Reddit, but they would never implement something this ridiculous since it would kill their community. But I guess that's the whole point of this exercise...to cull the userbase.

Ironically, this comment is precisely the kind of thing that may never receive an "endorsement."

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#173
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I understand the idea, endorsing a comment doesn't mean you agree with it. It just means you think it deserves to be in the thread. That should leave room for unpopular views as long as they're respectfully expressed.

"Don't downvote if you disagree" doesn't seem to work very well anywhere, so I'm not sure this will be any better in that regard.

Downvoting has always been used for disagreement on HN. It's a stubborn myth that that's somehow wrong or against the rules.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#174
post #28

Someone who has a pending comment will have to wait till it goes live to post another. We're hoping that good comments will get endorsed so quickly that there won't be a noticeable delay. Is there some timeout? If not, commenting on a several-day-old thread will guarantee that you can never post another comment, since once threads drop off the front page it's not likely that many 1000+ karma users will even see those…

Hmm, trust cperciva to find the thing I'd overlooked. I'll add a pending page that collects pending comments. Maybe that will solve the problem.

It would also be good for a person commenting (especially at toplevel) to be able to see replies, endorsed or not. There are plenty of useful comments that might not really merit endorsement or visibility by all but are a widely used - various small technical corrections, requests to get in contact, etc.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#175
This looks like a solution without a problem. If there a desire to reduce participation in the site, then this change will likely work. Whether or not that is a good thing will reflect a difference in philosophies amongst the users here. As this site has grown in popularity, it is no longer small and exclusive. This will never cease to bother some people.

For what it's worth, I think the quality of discussion on this site is still solid. I'm skeptical of this incoming change, but am open to being wrong once I see it in action.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#176
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, so much for 1-on-1 comment threads that are deeply buried and are not intended to be prominently displayed to anyone else. I've had lots of interesting conversations like that.

As I understand it, that's kind of the point.

I think there's a difference between a constructive conversation and a flame war.

If the worry is that comment threads are too long, HN could implement something like reddit, where you click to read additional comments in a long thread.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#177
post #33

The obvious big concern here is comments about minority groups and social justice. Are the 1000+ karma users going to shut down those voices?

I'm not a fan of the new change, but all the social justice articles get flagged into oblivion before most people have a change to comment on them anyway. That takes a lot less karma to do, 100 if I remember.

And you don't know that it's not going to swing the other way, where people would be more likely to speak out because no one's going to endorse the stock replies - i.e., the exhausting nits picked over this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7418937 wouldn't all be there.

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#178
post #32

Please consider making pending comments anonymous. Let the comment stand on its own.

What if they just made all the comments anonymous for 24 hours after they're posted? If you really wanted to know someones user name you could just go back in 24 hours. Hard to say whether it would improve content, but it does still allow people to have a name tied to a comment thus providing incentive to post well thought out answers and not go on sprees of acting obnoxious (I assume).

Re: Coming Soon to Hacker News: Pending Comments

#179
Interesting system, it kind of reminds me of the way I used to read Slashdot. There is a setting where you can filter comments below a certain threshold so you don't see them. I used to have mine set to +2. This was a great filter and made reading comments much nicer.
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