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Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by Vardhan »

quomopete wrote: post #20
tremols wrote: post #13

Have we cracked the brain's "programming language" yet? I am affraid that until now research has been focused on the biological side of it; and it makes more sense to me to replicate the logic instead of replicating the brain's biological structure. I believe that dataflow/reactive programming is the answer and the direction to follow as its principles are pretty close to how neurons work; plus it can be made to work…

the brain having a programming language would have to be based on a lot of assumptions that not everyone is willing to make.

I don't think he meant that in the literal sense, hence the quotes.

The brain's "programming language" refers more the to the idea of what makes the brain's biological structure work to produce human perception.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by z3phyr »

deletes wrote: post #46
klrr wrote: post #41

* First Law: A robot must never harm a human being or, through inaction, allow any human to come to harm. * Second Law: A robot must obey the orders given to them by human beings, except where such orders violate the First Law. * Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence unless this violates the First or Second Laws.

* Zeroth Law: A robot must never harm humanity or, by inaction allow humanity to come to harm. Every other law gets an unless this interferes with the zeroth law. suffix. I encourage anyone to read the robots series, specifically( in that order ): The Caves of Steel, The Naked Sun and The Robots of Dawn , where the three laws are used in the story, and even the zeroth law is implied in the third book.

Just sayin, they named it after the Zeroth law http://www.qualcomm.com/media/blog/2013/10/10/introducing-qu...

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by gnaritas »

pjbrunet wrote: post #44

Call it what it is, an expert system, market research, a database of decisions/observations. Real "artificial intelligence" only exists in science fiction, in the minds of children playing with toys. Your computer (doll) won't ever love you back or have any awareness or understanding no matter how bad you want it to. It's a cool sounding buzzword for marketing, but if there's any intelligence here it's coming from a…

You have no idea what you're talking about, please just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by ethanbond »

pjbrunet wrote: post #44

Call it what it is, an expert system, market research, a database of decisions/observations. Real "artificial intelligence" only exists in science fiction, in the minds of children playing with toys. Your computer (doll) won't ever love you back or have any awareness or understanding no matter how bad you want it to. It's a cool sounding buzzword for marketing, but if there's any intelligence here it's coming from a…

> But we have no idea where intelligence originates.

It seems to me we don't even have a good definition of intelligence, never mind an understanding of it. You admit it yourself, so why the diatribe on how (not even why) "real artificial intelligence" is impossible? You haven't defined what AI is nor demonstrated why it will never happen.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by jbooth »

tremols wrote: post #13

Have we cracked the brain's "programming language" yet? I am affraid that until now research has been focused on the biological side of it; and it makes more sense to me to replicate the logic instead of replicating the brain's biological structure. I believe that dataflow/reactive programming is the answer and the direction to follow as its principles are pretty close to how neurons work; plus it can be made to work…

By replicating the biological structure, they might shed some light on the logic. Right now we're making almost zero traction, a serious effort to copy it might at least make it clear what we're trying to understand.

At the very least, if they have a cortex in software, it would create a ethical (?) way to experiment with the logic by enabling/disabling pieces and seeing what happens.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by JamesArgo »

pjbrunet wrote: post #44

Call it what it is, an expert system, market research, a database of decisions/observations. Real "artificial intelligence" only exists in science fiction, in the minds of children playing with toys. Your computer (doll) won't ever love you back or have any awareness or understanding no matter how bad you want it to. It's a cool sounding buzzword for marketing, but if there's any intelligence here it's coming from a…

Sadly, some people confuse their ignorance with knowledge and make all kinds of embarrassing claims.

>There's no hint of evidence you = your brain.

Sign up for a lobotomy we'll see much "you" is left afterwords.

> If you believe artificial intelligence is possible, you're missing out on what life has to offer--or you would never think a box of switches could come alive.

You got me. Believing x would make me think life has less meaning. Therefore, x is false. What an argument.

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by z3phyr »

pjbrunet wrote: post #44

Call it what it is, an expert system, market research, a database of decisions/observations. Real "artificial intelligence" only exists in science fiction, in the minds of children playing with toys. Your computer (doll) won't ever love you back or have any awareness or understanding no matter how bad you want it to. It's a cool sounding buzzword for marketing, but if there's any intelligence here it's coming from a…

Can you define intelligence, before you claim 'stuff'?

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by z3phyr »

tomp wrote: post #48
klrr wrote: post #41

* First Law: A robot must never harm a human being or, through inaction, allow any human to come to harm. * Second Law: A robot must obey the orders given to them by human beings, except where such orders violate the First Law. * Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence unless this violates the First or Second Laws.

You do realize that, as stated, these laws are (1) practically impossible to implement, (2) routinely broken by humans (especially the first law - life-sacing and cosmetic surgery, piercings, sport, euthanasia, abortion), and (3) a matter of philosophical/moral subject, decisions about which, IMO, should be in the domain of humans, not robots.

How are they practically impossible to implement?

Re: Zuckerberg, Musk Invest in Artificial-Intelligence Company Vicarious

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Post by anoplus »

klrr wrote: post #41

* First Law: A robot must never harm a human being or, through inaction, allow any human to come to harm. * Second Law: A robot must obey the orders given to them by human beings, except where such orders violate the First Law. * Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence unless this violates the First or Second Laws.

Elon musk read Asimov's in his childhood. I hope he will stand for those values. And also, I think such powerful projects should be open sourced for the public.
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